Katrina Response Mismanagement

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

And as for Carter and the UFO's.....lol....

Now there is a National Priority!!!..Where is the outrage!!...lol

I NEED Answers to that Anal probing! ....lol

Again, you missed the point. The UFO thing was about...you guessed it....national security, because most of the stuff reported is sightings of secret aircraft.

[scaeagles]

You completely missed my point, Pan.

Personal sex life is not so personal when you are doing it in your office with an intern before meetings with foreign dignitaries.

We disagree, and that's fine.

[scaeagles]

And I don't care what the world thinks about us. Even our closest allies have nothing close to our Constitution. No gaurantee of free speech, right to bear arms, free expression of religion, etc, etc, etc.

I don't care what a bunch of third world dictators think of the US, either.

I don't care what Communist regimes like China or North Korea think of the US, either.

I don't care what.....well, you get the idea.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Hey, like I said, impeachment is a great idea for a new thread.

scaeagles, I was banging my head against the car window through the entire speech. About 45 seconds of, "Things didn't go the way they should have," followed by a half dozen anectotes of, "The Triumph of Humanity." I would have liked for him to address the days and days of lack of leadership, lack of communication, lack of compassion, and lack of accountability. Instead, we got, "Here's a truckload of money. Workin' hard is gonna be hard work."

My partner and I have been seriously considering moving our business to New Orleans as soon as they are ready to have people back. Eventually, we expect to be able to provide 30-50 jobs, and my product really does seem like it ought to have come from there.

Could the sh!t-stirrers please start another thread or go away? 3 pages of tit-for tat, and "Don't blame my guy, your guy fecked up first," is tiresome. The entire system failed! No-bid contracts have been handed out to the president's allies and cronies. People died because the "right forms" weren't filled out, the "right requests" weren't made, and those who were "rescued" weren't cared for.

Please don't bring up the "busses under water," again, without posting links to a timeline of how those busses were used that day, where the drivers were, your suggestions, based on your knowledge of New Orleans roads and parking facilities, for a better place to park them, how long, exactly, do municipal employees work into a level 5 hurricane before they, themselves, evacuate, and a realistic evaluation of the consequences of recruiting the evacuees to drive the busses (which direction? what routes are clear? where do they stop for gas? how do you care for the elderly and injured? how do you handle the assholes with guns, who, no doubt, would have hijacked the busses?)

Hey, thanks.

[PanTheMan]

you still didnt address the main point....

It seems all some can do are re-state GOP talking points. No one, when the Sheet hits the fan, cares what France thinks.

Just as on the NOLA disaster the White House will repeat, over and over and over and over again, it doesn't want to "Play the Blame Game" as it hypocritically backdoors BLAME all across the board.

Had the Mayor of NOLA grabbed people off the streets to drive those Buses, I'm sure the GOP would be screaming the Mayor hired a bunch of Crack-heads to evacuate the city. (There also was No Gas to put in the busses)

But Lets Not Play the Blame Game. Did I mention the Blame game? The one we shouldn't play?.... etc....

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

Had the Mayor of NOLA grabbed people off the streets to drive those Buses, I'm sure the GOP would be screaming the Mayor hired a bunch of Crack-heads to evacuate the city.

With apologies to Gn2Dlnd.....

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

With apologies to Gn2Dlnd.....

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

Appearances and actions mean so much. Had GW been in a helicopter, flown reasonably low enough around the city long enough to actually get a decent look, and, immediately upon landing, made a statement regarding what was being done right now, he wouldn't be seen as uncaring or inactive. Sides shouldn't enter into it, he's the President, he should act like it.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

Appearances and actions mean so much. Had GW been in a helicopter, flown reasonably low enough around the city long enough to actually get a decent look, and, immediately upon landing, made a statement regarding what was being done right now, he wouldn't be seen as uncaring or inactive. Sides shouldn't enter into it, he's the President, he should act like it.

Fair enough - but I have no doubt that should he have done that, with the necessary security entourage, etc, the criticism would be that he was in the way only to get a political photo op, much as it was when he was at ground zero post 9/11 clearing away debris and hugging and talking to the workers there.

No win situation no matter what he does. I believe you are sincere in your criticism. I have no doubt many leaders in the democratic party are not sincere, and are themselves only trying to score political points in their criticism of it. It is incredibly easy to find fault and present a different course of action as the better one, and use whatever that may be as an argument to support a position critical of your political opponent.

[Morrigoon]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Probably so. Just like when Bush viewed the damage from Air Force one. Some were mad that he flew over in such a luxurious aircraft while so many were suffering. However, if he doesn't view the damage, then he's uncaring. In the game of politics, you can criticize literally anything by using arguments of how it would have been so much better do the something else. It doesn't matter what is done - both sides do it, so I don't really care about that kind of stuff.

And if they did it perfectly, the other side would call it a carefully orchestrated photo op, or something along those lines.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Morrigoon

And if they did it perfectly, the other side would call it a carefully orchestrated photo op, or something along those lines.

You mean like the work on the levees that mysteriously stopped after Bush left? Or the town that Bush's motorcade drove through yesterday that miraculously regained power 30 minutes prior to said drive-through only for it to be turned off again an hour later? Naw, would never happen.