Katrina Response Mismanagement

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Who cares who failed. A failure of this magnitude is a failure to ALL of us. Everyone failed.

Actually, I can say with complete certainty that in the case of the Katrina mismanagement that I didn't fail at all. As a matter of fact, I had nothing to do with it. If I was one of the people stuck without food or water in the convention center than you bet I would care who failed. Or one of the people who lost a family member because of government screw ups. Those people deserve an answer.

[Gn2Dlnd]

I started this thread to comment on the incompetence being shown in dealing with the rescue efforts. I named it "Katrina Response Mismanagement," not, "Who's to Blame?" Not, "Katrina Preparedness Mismanagement." I've made an effort to provide links to articles many of you may not have read in whole. Through the educational process of reading these articles, one is likely to assign blame to certain people and agencies.

I'm disappointed that people feel that there's too much to read. I, personally, dislike hearing opinions from people who haven't bothered to educate themselves.

I'm sure that, a year from now, CNN will do a nice anniversary show where all the facts will be nicely bullet-pointed and wrapped up into 40 minutes.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

I started this thread to comment on the incompetence being shown in dealing with the rescue efforts. I named it "Katrina Response Mismanagement," not, "Who's to Blame?" Not, "Katrina Preparedness Mismanagement." I've made an effort to provide links to articles many of you may not have read in whole. Through the educational process of reading these articles, one is likely to assign blame to certain people and agencies.

I'm disappointed that people feel that there's too much to read. I, personally, dislike hearing opinions from people who haven't bothered to educate themselves.

Well, actually, I've read a lot more than just what you've posted. If, as you say, reading what you've posted will lead to assigning blame to certain people and agencies, then why do you have a problem with the blame being discussed here? True, it doesn't follow the title of your thread, but threads start discussion, and if what you've posted would lead to the likely assignment of blame, then that is a logical place for the discussion to head.

There is more to being educated then simply reading what you've posted. I would suspect that you would find your educational experience less than fulfilling if you limited your reading to links I posted. I don't bother to post many of them.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

If, as you say, reading what you've posted will lead to assigning blame to certain people and agencies, then why do you have a problem with the blame being discussed here? True, it doesn't follow the title of your thread, but threads start discussion, and if what you've posted would lead to the likely assignment of blame, then that is a logical place for the discussion to head.

Mostly, I think, its important to hold to the fire the feet of the people who are in charge right now. As our Secretary of Defense so astutely put it, "You go to war with the army you have." Its important to note the disorganization, the callousness, the attitude of privilege and wealth, the lack of qualification for the job, the bald-faced lies, and the excuses. Blaming those who did not prepare is not the same as exposing the utter ineptitude displayed during the response. As soon as things are put somewhat to rights, as soon as families have been re-united, as soon as bodies are identified and laid to rest, as soon as these things are done, I'm all for firing everybody who had a hand in this shameful mess.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

I started this thread to comment on the incompetence being shown in dealing with the rescue efforts. I named it "Katrina Response Mismanagement," not, "Who's to Blame?" Not, "Katrina Preparedness Mismanagement."

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, this title of the thread and the first couple of posts by the OP set the tone that has followed throughout this thread. You've gotten exactly what you asked for!

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

I'm disappointed that people feel that there's too much to read. I, personally, dislike hearing opinions from people who haven't bothered to educate themselves.

Because I have not read the specific articles posted, I "haven't bothered to educate [my]self"? Puh-leese

Am I not intelligent enough to see the context of an article without analyzing every possible word? I am intelligent enough to recognize immediately the gist of the articles. I have enough experience in life to see that it is the same blame game going that I have already read about. You can call it defecation, poo-poo, #2, excrement, feces, whatever. But in the end, it's all just **** (BTW, this was used for an alegory, not as a commentary on the content - really; I mean it!).

Whether someone reads specifically what you want them to does not render them educated ot not.

And that I (and others) am not interested in the blame game - which is what this thread was about since the very first post - to me indicates a higher level of thought process. Sorry for sounding arrogant, but I firmly believe that.

Are you a part of the problem or part of the solution? I prefer the latter.

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

That's how.

See above.

[Nephythys]

??????

How in the world do you judge who read them and educated themselves or not? You can't really make that assumption-


Oh well.....a link in the name of educating oneself

Link

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

??????

How in the world do you judge who read them and educated themselves or not?

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

I haven't read most of this thread as it is just that: about placing blame.

That's how.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Oh well.....a link in the name of educating oneself

Link

So, after a half hour, you edited your post to include a blind link to an editorial piece that is nothing but blame-laying? Can I now assume that you didn't even read the first paragraph of the post that you were responding to?

I suggest you go ahead and start that "Who's to Blame?" thread.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

So, after a half hour, you edited your post to include a blind link to an editorial piece that is nothing but blame-laying? Can I now assume that you didn't even read the first paragraph of the post that you were responding to?

I suggest you go ahead and start that "Who's to Blame?" thread.

Not at all- it falls under mismanagement. I edited the post rather than clutter up with another one- seemed easier that way.

But I'm done...clearly I bring the wrong toys to the party. Tell me though- you said at the outset that some of the links may offend people- and as I read over the posts again there is ALOT of blame being laid. Why single me out?

Maybe it's that toy thing again?

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Why single me out?

You asked me a direct question, I was under the impression that we had engaged in conversation.

I don't get the "toys" reference. What do you mean by "toys?"