The props have been terminated. - Page 2

Not Afraid · 11-09-2005, 12:33 PM

Well considering I forgot to vote (it is TUESDAY today??????) I'm glad they are all dead. I should stay home more often and get the outcome I want.

(J/K)

Ghoulish Delight · 11-09-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

The domination of local school boards by religious nutjobs.

Well, they lost some ground yesterday, it least in one district. link

Prudence · 11-09-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Well, they lost some ground yesterday, it least in one district. link

But they also gained the state of Kansas.

Gemini Cricket · 11-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Sometimes it feels like propositions are a waste of time. I mean, it seems like a lot of brouhaha, a lot of money and then if they pass they get overturned somewhere along the line.
Maybe it's just me.

I, too, am glad that they got terminated. Even though I'm in Massachusetts and not supposed to be conerned about California shenanigans...

Name · 11-09-2005, 05:44 PM

In SD we probably woulda had a special election anyway, considering we have been without a mayor for the last several months, and been missing 2 city council members.....

At least now we have a mayor, but the two districts without council members still have to have another elction to fill those seats.....

Damm this city needs some help....

€uroMeinke · 11-09-2005, 07:45 PM

Well, I forgot to vote yesterday - such is the validity of my opinion - but I too dislike the "proposition system" I'd rather have our legilators write our laws through a political process. It's nice to know the Californian people voted the way I would have anyway.

Prudence · 11-09-2005, 08:41 PM

Sometimes I support citizen initiatives. We've had some situations here where politicians basicially refuse to act lest they anger one side or the other. What particularly annoyed me this time around is that the legislature had finally gotten off their collective butts and done something and we were voting to undo it. Never mind that the rationale for shooting down several prior initiatives in prior years was that the legislature should be acting, not leaving it to the people to legislate major issues (in this case, transportation funding). Now that the legislature had acted, the people complained. Gah! Yes, government should, ideally, serve the people. But micromanagement rarely increases efficiency or efficacy.

tikiboy · 11-20-2005, 10:37 PM

The reason we have propositions is because our legislature has hijacked our state. They have gerrymandered the districts in a way that makes them impervious to the popular will.

As far as reading "I'm glad they're all dead" I just don't understand this line of reasoning.

I never heard a well reasoned argument against Prop 75, that would have required public employee unions to ask members for permission before collecting money for political purposes. I heard nothing but emotion ridden tripe. Nothing but scare tactics from the unions. The "reasonable" argument came in the form of "Well, since the big evil corporations can use shareholder money..." which is just a non sequitur.

And prop 74? Why do high school teachers have tenure in the first place? I don't see high school teachers taking the unpopular stands that college profs sometimes need to take. The teacher's union just uses it as a shield for the incompetent.

11-09-2005, 12:33 PM	#11
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Well considering I forgot to vote (it is TUESDAY today??????) I'm glad they are all dead. I should stay home more often and get the outcome I want. (J/K)
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Sometimes it feels like propositions are a waste of time. I mean, it seems like a lot of brouhaha, a lot of money and then if they pass they get overturned somewhere along the line. Maybe it's just me. I, too, am glad that they got terminated. Even though I'm in Massachusetts and not supposed to be conerned about California shenanigans...
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	Well, I forgot to vote yesterday - such is the validity of my opinion - but I too dislike the "proposition system" I'd rather have our legilators write our laws through a political process. It's nice to know the Californian people voted the way I would have anyway. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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Prudence Beelzeboobs, Esq. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gavel - I haz it Posts: 6,287	Sometimes I support citizen initiatives. We've had some situations here where politicians basicially refuse to act lest they anger one side or the other. What particularly annoyed me this time around is that the legislature had finally gotten off their collective butts and done something and we were voting to undo it. Never mind that the rationale for shooting down several prior initiatives in prior years was that the legislature should be acting, not leaving it to the people to legislate major issues (in this case, transportation funding). Now that the legislature had acted, the people complained. Gah! Yes, government should, ideally, serve the people. But micromanagement rarely increases efficiency or efficacy. __________________ traguna macoities tracorum satis de
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11-20-2005, 10:37 PM	#18
tikiboy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	The reason we have propositions is because our legislature has hijacked our state. They have gerrymandered the districts in a way that makes them impervious to the popular will. As far as reading "I'm glad they're all dead" I just don't understand this line of reasoning. I never heard a well reasoned argument against Prop 75, that would have required public employee unions to ask members for permission before collecting money for political purposes. I heard nothing but emotion ridden tripe. Nothing but scare tactics from the unions. The "reasonable" argument came in the form of "Well, since the big evil corporations can use shareholder money..." which is just a non sequitur. And prop 74? Why do high school teachers have tenure in the first place? I don't see high school teachers taking the unpopular stands that college profs sometimes need to take. The teacher's union just uses it as a shield for the incompetent.
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