Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[Stan4dSteph]

As long as we're quoting lyrics:

She’s elliptical
Also political
All so spiritual
Not superficial
Yeah, she’s tropical
Yes, she’s illogical
Those little girls are a pest
Big girls are the best

-U2, "Big Girls Are Best"

[Not Afraid]

And, if you all can carry on with the thought of the first statement erased from your minds and not influencing how the thread progresses, then that's a good thing. However, I wasn't seeing a universal acceptance of the appology. Therein lies my concern. The justifications that ensued just seemed to make matters worse for some. That's why I suggested that Jen leave the appology there and walk away.

Sometimes it's not the fu<kups that get you in trouble but the justifications that follow.

And, just to make this part clear, this is not about some personal issue I have with Jen. I would've acted the same way with anyone. But, it's convenient to blame it on personal issues and discount my suggestions.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

And, just to make this part clear, this is not about some personal issue I have with Jen. I would've acted the same way with anyone. But, it's convenient to blame it on personal issues and discount my suggestions.

I'm confused by this part? Are you saying that I have personal issues or that you and Jen do?

I'm not discounting your suggestions. Although, they did come across as being a bit harsh, to me at least. That's the problem with the internet I suppose, hard to tell and all. I understand your statements that the issue should just die, I just disagree. I think discussion is ok. If people aren't able to accept an apology and move on then that's their problem (I'm not saying they aren't, very little discussion has gone on about CP's recent posts). Personally, I think the discussion is going well and there is a productive exchange of ideas that a lot of people are learning from. If a little fighting happens along the way then that's ok. As far as I know we all like each other for the most part. We can get over stuff, right?

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

I'm confused by this part? Are you saying that I have personal issues or that you and Jen do?

My comment was in reference to Isaac's post. He seemed to have decided that it was a personal issue. And, I guess I do have a personal issue with anyone who acts like an ass. So, he's partially right. But, there were a LOT of feathers ruffled by the initial comment and I really didn't want to see it continue down the hateful path. If a discussion can heal, I'm all for it, but I wasn't seeing that happen on a universal participant level.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

my flesh is a disguise
the weeder course for the pursuit of a degree
in who i am and why i am and what i do and how
so that if you take one look
and see only the one thing--and it stops you--
i don't have to bother sharing
my thoughts on politics, my short stories, my grasshopper joke
because in the long run
you'd never be worth my time
if my tits invade your personal bubble of space

my flesh is a machine
carrying me everywhere your flesh carries you.
it even goes to the gym.
it pushes down on the legg-press
with the ease of a game of tiddly-winks
white the waifs around me
struggle
to move half the air pressure
in twice the time

my flesh is an emblem
there is no mistaking me
for anything but female
and the only angle on my body
is the perpendicular intersection
where my middle finger
rises from my fist
when somebody suggests
that my only angle
is the right angle of my legs
while sitting on the couch

my flesh is a rebellion
in place of a collection of safety-pins
on the hem of a punk rock shirt
saying
this is who i am
i am not what you are
and you can be drawn to or repelled by my
metaphorical blue hair-- roundness--excess
but i cling to it because i choose it
my fashion of skin
and because you do not

my flesh is a sanctuary
a haven for warm support
love given freely
to those who seek
a firm embrace camoflaged
with the softness of my arms

my flesh is a cornocopia
a gathering of fruits
a boquet of luscious smells and tastes
succulent, juicy-sweet
ready for harvest
my own thanksgiving feast--and yours
to celebrate the fullness of the moon

[Gemini Cricket]

[innerSpaceman]

Well, then let's name more names. Cough.Prudence.Cough. This must be the only member of the group that made things non-universal.

And that's ok. I have no problem with Prudence taking objection to things, and arguing her side of a differing point of view. But to say that things were non-universal - when she was the only person still arguing - is, imo, a bit disingenuous.



And to add even more potential fuel to some flames: If Disneyland has the right to tell me to shave my mustache and cut my hair and take off that earring, I think they have every right to tell me to lose 20 pounds.

If there is such a thing as the "Disney Look," then certainly how much you weigh can be a factor in achieving that "Look." And, you know what? If an employer has a "Look" that must be matched, I'm gonna take that as not-so-subtle code that fairly good looks are required for the job. Some jobs are just like that ... and I, like others, would have to look elsewhere for employment. Life's rough.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And to add even more potential fuel to some flames: If Disneyland has the right to tell me to shave my mustache and cut my hair and take off that earring, I think they have every right to tell me to lose 20 pounds.

If there is such a thing as the "Disney Look," then certainly how much you weigh can be a factor in achieving that "Look." And, you know what? If an employer has a "Look" that must be matched, I'm gonna take that as not-so-subtle code that fairly good looks are required for the job. Some jobs are just like that ... and I, like others, would have to look elsewhere for employment. Life's rough.

Not to put words in anybody's mouth - but when one puts forward a personal disclaimer statements like "weight doesn't factor into your own personal view of what is or isn't attractive." but follows up with a condemnation for Disney attempting to change those norms, It really puts into doubt the initial disclaimer statement.

Either Disney's change doesn't matter to you becasue they aren't upholding your personal notion of attractiveness in the first place. Or it does matter becasue in part you share (at least some) of the societal norms.

Claiming that you have friends that are fat or ugly really is of little consolation.

Disney can put forward whatever standards they want, but I'm not sure the "scale test" is delivering what they really want (increased sales? reduced sexual harrasment suits? reduced costs? a more flexible workforce? cheaper labor? etc?)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I'd say that I see it as fantasy world improv. Make it up as you go along but stay in character.

The "character" would be "the nicest store clerk you've ever met." The scenario is one much like that Twilight Zone episode involving the town of Willoughby (sp?) which is a romanticized version of an old man's past. Everyone is cordial and things are simple. There is no "backstory" because the idea is that things are not that complicated - everyone is a smiling and helpful, and that's all they need to be in this hyper-reality.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I'd say that I see it as fantasy world improv. Make it up as you go along but stay in character.

The "character" would be "the nicest store clerk you've ever met." The scenario is one much like that Twilight Zone episode involving the town of Willoughby (sp?) which is a romanticized version of an old man's past. Everyone is cordial and things are simple. There is no "backstory" because the idea is that things are not that complicated - everyone is a smiling and helpful, and that's all they need to be in this hyper-reality.

Cool - so in your directoral vision, would those clerks necessarily be a size 12 or less?