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[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

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[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Cool - so in your directoral vision, would those clerks necessarily be a size 12 or less?

In my own imagined perfect world? I guess so. Same way that I'd cast leggy girls for can-can dancing at the Golden Horseshoe, strapping young men for the canoes, sweet-voiced female storytellers for Storybook, goofy looking guys for Jungle Cruise, and creepy looking people to staff the Mansion. And of course, I'd balance looks with ability. I admit that if I had two chicks in my office applying for a store clerk with similar qualifications and abilities, I'd take the prettier one. Once again, pretty doesn't have to involve weight.

It's all subjective as to where we draw the line. There are people for whom their personal imagined perfect world would require clerks to necessarily be a size 12 or more. Some guys go for heavier people. Same goes for women. Same goes for gay men/women. What do you think a gay "bear" dream for DL would include? Lash, you want to jump in here?

The problem is that we're all different, and any business is going to want to appeal to as many people as possible. Apparently most people in our society feel that under a size 12 (or whatever made-up boundary line one wishes to create) is more attractive.

Prudence, I know you think I insulted you, and I have no idea why you keep feeling that way. Should I cry because I have a friend who prefers big tits over my tiny ones? I don't know your husband personally but from what you've said he obviously loves you and is very attracted to you. Having said that, he probably wouldn't find me very attractive at all, but I see no reason to feel insulted because of that. I know not everyone wants a scrawny girl with no meat on her bones and a flat chest. I'm ok with that.

I'm still wondering if anyone is going to try and claim that they're physically attracted to everybody equally.

Eliza - I love LSPE too, and you as well.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I think there are plenty of "roles" at the Park that don't require a petite-sized woman to play. Tour Guide may even be one of them. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have any physical requirements for the role, but ultra-slim would not be one of them.

I can't think of a single role that "requires" a petite woman at DL. Why would it? Do any roles require that the largest possible group be turned on sexually? I can see the possibility of a role where the script is somewhat adult (though I don't know of any) in which case, can't a well put together, nice looking overweight person with the right personallity to pull it off fill that role?

Originally Posted by ISM

But let's make no mistake. Though I don't equate fat with ugly, I - personally - would not be casting too many ugly people at Steve's Disneyland.

Ok, but are we talking about our own fantasy Disneylands, or are we talking about what think Disneyland should do? Because in my fantasy DL Dole Whips are free, but I'm not going to spout off about the price of them in real life. You can have whatever kind of thin orgy laden DL that you want. It's when people start saying that DL should only hire thin people that I take issue.

So is there anyone here who actually thinks, in real life, that Disney should only hire thin, attractive people to staff the parks?

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

If you disagree with that assessment, perhaps an analogy would help: Saying fat people are less attractive than thin people is like saying gay people can't have babies. It's a generalization based on common sense fact, but is NOT a smear on that group. Just becuase there are exceptions to those generalizations does not make them inapplicable, nor does it make them cross the line into personal insults. No one has said that fat people are evil or stupid or insane.

The difference is that one of these is a biological fact and one of these is subjective opinion turned into a broad generalization. Two men cannot naturally make a baby. Neither can two women. Saying fat people are less attractive is not based on common sense fact. It's based on your and some other people's personal opinion. And in our culture, saying someone is unattractive can be as insulting as saying they are evil or stupid or insane.

[innerSpaceman]

I think Disneyland should only hire attractive people for the Park. There, I said it.

And it's based on the famed "Disney Look" that was the basis for hiring and firing for many decades, and is making a rightful comeback. It was mostly about grooming standards, but it implied - imo - a standard of subjective attractiveness, to be determined by the employer. I would prefer if the Disney Look had wide lattitude when defining attractiveness, but I have zero problem with some standard of attractiveness being required for what I consider a quasi-stage role, and certainly a public-interactive position in an entertainment endeavor.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The problem is that we're all different, and any business is going to want to appeal to as many people as possible. Apparently most people in our society feel that under a size 12 (or whatever made-up boundary line one wishes to create) is more attractive.

See, this is the probelem as I see it - Disneyland has long abandoned this "Size 12" standard - and it appears you are arguing that they shouldn't have, because "under size 12" is still considered a cultural norm for "attractiveness" - not that you personally feel this way - you are just taking Disney to task for not reinstating it, or that's how it's coming across.

I too believe beauty is subjective. I also think the current policies of Disneyland help promote that belief. Sure Disney is within it's rights to require weight standards (though actually that might not be true if my recolection of recent stewardess lawsuits are correct) but I don't know why you would bring that up unless you feel the current crop of CMs are to "unattractive" for the "show."

It's like saying I have no problem with gay lifestyles, but I wish California would reinstate and enforce it's anti-sodimy laws - not that I believe in them becasue well, some of my best friends are gay.

Perhaps I'm missing something in your posts, but that is how they have come across, and why I can see that someone might take offense.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I think Disneyland should only hire attractive people for the Park. There, I said it.

Great, but I don't thing a scale or size standard would enforce that ideal.

[tracilicious]

So only attractive people should interact with DL guests? Consider this: Disneyland's mainly a place where families go. Most of those people will be very average looking. Many of them will be fat. Do you really think that all these people want to be in a park populated by thin beautiful people? Chances are that they want well groomed average looking people.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Oops, missed this -

Originally Posted by Prudence

Yes, there are plenty of physical traits that I find unappealing. But you know what? I don't discuss them in public threads because it's not nice and might hurt people's feelings unnecessarily.

Honesty always bites me in the ass. Ah well. Since you have your own list of traits you don't like, then it follows that every other living soul has their own list, and that it's no reason to feel personally insulted, right?

Originally Posted by tracilicious

So is there anyone here who actually thinks, in real life, that Disney should only hire thin, attractive people to staff the parks?

I think Disneyland is a show, the stars are the rides, and everyone there is an extra. I think that it's impossible to staff the entire place with knowledgeable, friendly, helpful CMs that also happen to be drop dead gorgeous. I also think that it's the same as casting for a musical. It's darned hard to find people who can act, sing, dance, and are drop dead gorgeous. Whenever casting occurs you find the best people you can to fill all the requirements. So not all of them are going to be Brad Pitt or Julia Roberts lookalikes, and that's just fine.

To answer the question specifically, I think physical appeal is on the long list along with all the other things that make a CM a CM.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Crap, running behind....too many posts to catch up with