The random political thoughts thread

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

One of the Senators yesterday, I can't recall which one, mentioned that this administration has a pre-1776 mindset.

Lol!!!!

While I find it amusing that so many Repubs are now jumping on the illegal wiretapping bandwagon, the cynical part of me knows that it is only because they are looking at the post-Bush political landscape and jockeying for position. Bunch of weasels, all of them. (Dems included).

[Gemini Cricket]

I remember our 9/10/2001 country...

[SacTown Chronic]

The thing about Karl Rove's pre 9/11 mindset crap that bugs me is who in America, besides Condi "historical memo" Rice and George "we are no longer protected by oceans" Bush, didn't know about terrorism before Sep 11, 2001?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Gonzales mentioned yesterday (with a straight face, mind you) that other presidents had authorized electronic surveillance including Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc.

Can I really trust the intellect of an attorney general who thinks that Washington and Lincoln authorized electronic surveillance.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Gonzales mentioned yesterday (with a straight face, mind you) that other presidents had authorized electronic surveillance including Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc.

Can I really trust the intellect of an attorney general who thinks that Washington and Lincoln authorized electronic surveillance.

Lol!!!!!!!

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Can I really trust the intellect of an attorney general who thinks that Washington and Lincoln authorized electronic surveillance.

Nonesense, I'm sure the langauge included phrases like "by any means necessary" - just becasue the yet invented media wasn't spelled out in name - I'm sure the intent would have included such technologies.

Afterall, isn't this how the current President is justifying his actions?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Gonzales mentioned yesterday (with a straight face, mind you) that other presidents had authorized electronic surveillance including Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc.

Can I really trust the intellect of an attorney general who thinks that Washington and Lincoln authorized electronic surveillance.

Well, after doing some checking, apparently the quote was not entirely accurate. What Gonzalez actually said was that "President Bush was following in the tradition of such other wartime presidents as Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt when he ordered warrantless domestic wiretaps."

He then went on to explain that Lincoln had authorized telegraph wiretaps. I wasn't aware that such a thing existed but it still is a bit different from the original post I made. That's what I get for not checking the facts first.

My apologies.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I spoke too soon in that last post. The Colbert Report played the clip tonight and Gonzalez did in fact say specifically that Washington and Lincoln authorized electronic surveillance.

Luckily, the republicans refused to put him under oath so lying is A-ok.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Luckily, the republicans refused to put him under oath so lying is A-ok.

Didn't they do the same for big oil execs recently? They lied, too.

[wendybeth]

Lying is okay in a free-marketplace, GC. Especially when you are friends with the President.