Does this give you a reason to like Cheney?

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

THAT is inexcusable. You must have all the proper licenses and/or tags to participate in hunting or fishing.

However, THAT he's blaming on a staffer of his. He can't even take responsibility for that.

Cheney's office said a staffer who obtained the vice president's hunting license was not told he needed the $7 upland game bird stamp that Texas game wardens determined was missing. Cheney was issued a warning, and Cheney said he will send the Parks and Wildlife Department a check for the stamp.

Source

Here's something else:

"It's important, always, to work to make sure you get information out like this as quickly as possible," McClellan said. "But it's also important to make sure that the first priority is focused where it should be, and that is making sure that Mr. Whittington has the care that he needs."

Same source as above.

Okay, this Administration is also proving to us that they are incapable of doing two things at once. If I couldn't do two things at once, I'd be fired from my job.

McClellan is telling us that it took 24 hours for us to hear about this because they were attending to Whittington's wounds. So, Cheney and his entire staff were in the waiting room? No one could have said, 'Hmm, maybe we should send out a press release on this...'

Same thing with Katrina. 'Now is not the time for blame. We must fix this problem. We can't investigate what went wrong and fix New Orleans at the same time. That's too hard. You're all about blame and we're all about fix... a fix that came too late, but we're all about fix.'

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

However, THAT he's blaming on a staffer of his. He can't even take responsibility for that.

And you'll notice that I am critical of Cheney for that. He needs to make sure he has all of the proper licenses before he goes hunting.

Here's my biggest issue with thinking this is any type of a cover up - what is being covered up? The lack of purchasing the proper credentials? No one disputes what happened. I don't get it.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

THAT is inexcusable. You must have all the proper licenses and/or tags to participate in hunting or fishing.

Wait! As a GOP member, was I just critical of a GOP vp? May it never be! Oh, my eyes have been opened and I see the error of my ways in support of any republican!

Seesch, such typical spin. Ignore the REAL issues and try to get people to focus on the minutia of a situation. You could run for VP yourself one day.

The real issue here is the turtle approach that was taken. The "I'm above the law" attitude that infects this administration.

[scaeagles]

What am I spinning?

I said Cheney pulled the trigger.

I am critical that he didn't follow the law and purchase a license. In terms of minutia, I'm not the one who originally posted about not getting the license.

I am talking about the story in terms of what has been reported as far as what happened, which is not in dispute.

I have asked about what could possibly be covered up, as I don't see what they would want to cover up, and if it is a cover up, it is the world shortest and most stupid cover up. All gun shot woulds must be reported to police.

I really don't know what I am spinning.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

What am I spinning?

I said Cheney pulled the trigger.

I am critical that he didn't follow the law and purchase a license. In terms of minutia, I'm not the one who originally posted about not getting the license.

I am talking about the story in terms of what has been reported as far as what happened, which is not in dispute.

I have asked about what could possibly be covered up, as I don't see what they would want to cover up, and if it is a cover up, it is the world shortest and most stupid cover up. All gun shot woulds must be reported to police.

I really don't know what I am spinning.

It's not an issue of a "cover up" I don't think anyone is saying this was an assassination attempt. It's just a clear example of the arrogent way Cheney and crew do business.

I'm a powerful man, I don't need no hunting licence

I'm a powerful man, I don't need to cooperate with local law enforment

I'm a powerful man, I don't need to justify my actions, or even mention them

I'm a powerful man, don't you question my actions.

I'm a powerful man, the laws of the United States are for you, not for me.

[scaeagles]

While I disagree with your sentiment, I can at least understand it now.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And you'll notice that I am critical of Cheney for that.

My frustration is not directed at you. It's with the issue we're discussing.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Here's my biggest issue with thinking this is any type of a cover up - what is being covered up?

It's not that he's trying to hide the incident, it's that he seems to be above the law because of his postion. 24 hours later, we get a filtered story. That's fishy. If I shot that lawyer, I wouldn't get that perk of having a team of people water down the situation and carefully word what happened later. Is 'peppered' a common hunting term?


Edit: I sat on my post too long. I just read what Moonliner wrote... what he said.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Is 'peppered' a common hunting term?

In terms of shotguns, yes. Not to try to be condescending, as I simply don't know your range of knowledge, but a shotgun doesn't shoot a bullet. It shoot a wide spread of pellets - in this case, birdshot, which is similar to a common BB (multiple being shot at a time).

[Ghoulish Delight]

Yes, "peppered" is a commmon hunting term. Shutguns don't fire a bullet, they fire a cluster of little balls ("shot"). When something is hit with several of those shot, you say it was "peppered".

Sorry guys, but I find this to be a big non-story. Dude made a mistake. Unless it's something that concerns his performance as vp, I don't consider him as having an obligation to go running to the media to say he shot his friend. While I fully understand why it is newsworthy once it became public, I don't consider the delay indicative of anything other than the fact that he made a horrible mistake, nearly killed a friend, and was dealing with the reprocussions of that privately. It's no more his reponsibility to inform us of that than it was Clinton's to inform us of his cigar appreciation.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Do you know the blast pattern of birdshot?

Yes

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Have you ever hunted birds?

I grew up and live now in rural Mississippi. YES, I have hunted birds (quail and dove), deer (gun and bow), rabbit, and squirrel. I am not an avid hunter now, but had some fun with it in scouts (I am an eagle scout with a marksmanship merit badge, if you want ancient history) and in high school.

So that's 2 people who's hunting experience you've questioned so far. What's your experience?

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sigh.

Tough day?

I don't know why you're so upset with me anyway. My first comment on this was "I'm not one to want to see Cheney strung up for this". And I don't. This was clearly an accident. But I do realize where the responsibility lies, whether you do or not.