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Old 03-01-2006, 11:21 AM   #1
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It's not a matter of people belonging to groups with which they don't agree. It's a matter of having an interesting conversation with someone about the reasons why, their priorities, how they deal with or rationalize the conflict of interests, etc., etc.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a gay Catholic Republican, but it sure would be fascinating to find out how such a person works it out in his own mind to belong to groups that have a stated desire to erase him from existence.


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And yes, I always identify myself as a Californian when out of state or out of country. The reaction you get to "I'm an American" is blecch, and the reaction you get to "I'm a Californian" is ahhh, wow!

(It's not a pose either; I really think of myself as a Californian rather than an American. Maybe it's the same kind of denial dance I might do if I were a gay Catholic Republican.)
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:59 AM   #2
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There's nothing inherently wrong with a gay Catholic Republican, but it sure would be fascinating to find out how such a person works it out in his own mind to belong to groups that have a stated desire to erase him from existence.
I agree with you there.
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:10 PM   #3
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While the idea of a gay catholic republican is the most interesting option, I recall that in my company one of our execs who often acts as a political lobbyist is openly talks about his husband. He'd be just the sort attending such political meetings. Was he a short blond guy by any chance?
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Old 03-01-2006, 12:38 PM   #4
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We recently removed a mayor for innapropriate behavior with underage persons, largely done on the public's dime and time. This same person was rabidly anti-gay when a member of the state senate, and even tried to criminalize sex between minors. It turns out that over the years he's abused his political power to solicit sex with very young men, and now he claims to be gay and a victim of descrimination. The gay community refutes this characterisation- they say (and rightly so) that he is primarily a pedophile and they will not accept him. Turns out he hung out with several notorious pedophiles back in the seventies, and there are many accusations against him from his alleged victims. He is a sadistic bastard, and he has hurt the gay community and countless young people. There have been many like him in the past- Roy Cohn comes to mind- and while I don't pretend to understand their motivation, it does seem that eventually they get their karmic payback.

(I'm not saying that this gentleman was in any way like our ex-mayor, but I do understand the confusion that arises when people belong to groups that are hostile to them. Perhaps, like Cheney's daughter, they hope to change things from inside the party, but it seems rather masochistic to me).
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Perhaps, like Cheney's daughter, they hope to change things from inside the party...
I had to comment on this. Mary Cheney is lame. She wasn't allowed to stand with the rest of the Cheneys during the RNC and she seemed fine with that. Bleh. She has a cozy 100K job working for daddy and the anti-gay Bush Kingdom... Double Bleh.
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but it seems rather masochistic to me
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Meh. Some are 'S' some are 'M'.
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While the idea of a gay catholic republican is the most interesting option, I recall that in my company one of our execs who often acts as a political lobbyist is openly talks about his husband. He'd be just the sort attending such political meetings. Was he a short blond guy by any chance?
Nope, average height, dark hair.

I guess there are more than one of these guys...
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Question: Was Cheney's daughter asked not to be there or did she decline? Like the Bush girls were a plus.

Very difficult subject.
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Question: Was Cheney's daughter asked not to be there or did she decline?
The official word is that it was Mary's decision to refrain from appearing on stage with her family but she did sit in a VIP booth with her partner the whole time. Word is is that she was advised not to go up there. Either way, she caved and is weak on gay rights for helping daddy with his anti-gay agenda.
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The official word is that it was Mary's decision to refrain from appearing on stage with her family but she did sit in a VIP booth with her partner the whole time. Word is is that she was advised not to go up there. Either way, she caved and is weak on gay rights for helping daddy with his anti-gay agenda.
Cheney is even more of a chump for allowing his daughter to be treated that way.

And, Bush even more of a chimp for letting his daughters be a part of the 'show' {from what I remember}.

John John was adorable at, what, 3? They were not.

Am I derailing? Sorry.
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