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[The Shadoe]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

You do, huh? From where, pray tell? From your right wing sources who continually spout what liberals are supposedly all about?

General liberal opinion. I continually read it on blogs.

Only if you do no more research that what you've shown.

Please elaborate. I didn't hear anyone else providing historical context in this thread with similar situations that we've faced in the past.

Sure did... and we didn't even have 3 major tribes trying to kill each other over religious fantasies.

Again, the terrorists WANT Civil War to break out, and they are going to egg it on as much as possible. It needn't happen.

Also, if I recall, our founding fathers were careful to provide us some limits on government as it applies to religion.

If Iraqis want more religion in their government, then so be it. That's part of democracy.

See? Our situations are exactly alike, aren't they?

I beg you to find one place where I said that the situations are exactly alike. Of course they aren't exactly alike. But they share fundamental similarities.

Why not have the debate? We certainly didn't have it when all this began, did we? No, all debate was shut down be calling people treasonous and Saddam lovers for daring to disagree with the President. And notice, I'm not giving the democrats a pass here for letting it happen.

I didn't want to get into a debate IN THAT POST about why we were there. By all means there should be a debate, but we need to be focused forwards now that we are there, NOT BACKWARDS. What's done is done. Time to make lemonade out of lemons. Oh, and what debate was shut down? Are you referring to the Chill Wind or whatever nonsense it was that Sean Penn was talking about? I don't believe that for a moment. I haven't heard anyone being shut up when speaking about the war, unless they were breaking laws in the process, like Cindy Sheehan has repeatedly done.

Yes, it's a long process no matter how you go about it. We had begun the process by advocating regime change through education, sanctions and diplomacy. And guess what? It was working. Where are Saddam's weapons, Shadoe? Where is Saddam's connection to Al Queda, Shadoe?

Apparently you don't know about Saddam's secret tapes... and thousands of documents that haven't yet been declassified. Saddam's connection to Al Qaeda? Take a look. Going into war and even now, liberals have screamed "no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda" and the more that turns up, the more we know this isn't true. Saddam allowed Al Qaeda operatives in his country. He knew they were there. He didn't do anything about it. And now these new letters show there was collaboration between Saddam and bin Ladin. Don't be so quick to write things off. Especially as new evidence comes to light.

Yeah, I saw her performance and it was disgusting. Perhaps Ms. Ingraham is unaware (geez what an understatement) that 80 journalists have been killed while working on the story that is Iraq. Perhaps they were all shot on their hotel balconies which Ms Ingraham claims they work from.

Did everyone enjoy this comment as much as I did??

Well, why not pick one up? Enjoy the comment. Do you think that you are above a refresher course? Picking up my poli sci book here, there are a few phrases about colonialism and imperialism that jump out at me.

• "For centuries, the great powers of Europe had competed for colonial hodlings, ruling, and administering over weaker and less-advanced peoples and territories located in faraway places around the world." (We aren't doing this!)
• "The Eurocentric system [...] became synonymous with foreign subjugation and exploitation." (Where's the exploitation and subjugation?)

If you were to read the book that I have in front of me, it looks more like the US is trying to fix the effects of colonialism in Iraq that were brought on by the European Empires.

... and that one??

So the comment is enjoyable, eh? No one has tried to counter that point with any evidence stating the contrary. So laugh and point all you want, but no one has provided anything that proves otherwise.

I love love LOVE it when people pull out Malkin and the rest of the bomb throwers and start parading them around as some standard of honesty, because usually you'll get some thin shred of information maquerading as the truth, i.e. Shadoe's next comment.

Bomb-throwers like Franken and Randi Rhodes? Puh-lease.

Did Malkin also tell you the rest of the story? Did Malkin tell you the manager of the facility approached the heckler and asked him several times to tone it down, and that it was only after the heckler started throwing punches at the people around him that Franken took him down? No? I wonder why not.
And just in case you're tempted to comment on the heckler's speech rights being trampled, please remember that citizens who disagree with President Bush are generally not even allowed in the same hall Dear Leader lies from.

Interesting that Franken finds himself in these situations all the time. Do you have an explanation as to why Franken went and stuck his finger in Laura Ingraham's producer's face? Or was her producer out of line? Because the picture I saw showed her producer sitting in a chair while Franken had his finger in the face with a threatening stance. It's suspicious when Franken finds himself in these situations all the time. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the pro-Dean supporter was being heckled by Franken. Granted, I think that it was stupid for the the Deankey to be at a Kerry Rally, but Franken's behavior is not justifiable.

I used to, as well, before conservative thought went to hell in a handbasket.

It really depends on who you listen to? Liberal thought as of late has been about nothing other than attacking republicans, unrealistic pie-in-the-sky idealism, etc.

Malkin and Coulter? (And yes, I realize Malkin and Coulter are NOT republican leaders. I continue to harp on them because YOU brought them into the conversation as examples of conservative truth)

I brought up Malkin. I didn't bring up Coulter. If you look back, soemone mentioned Coulter earlier and I responded to that post.

Did you just wake up? Have you completely missed the concerted effort in recent decades to stamp out liberalism completely? Sorry, my bad... you probably did.

Provide some evidence of this please. That's a ludicrious accusation, one that can't be baked up. Did Randi Rhodes tell you this? Or Sean Penn?

And what of this so-called conservative substance?

When Bush was running, I heard plans about what should be done with Iraq, domestic and foreign policies. What did I hear from Kerry? He talked about how the Democrats have better plans, but mysteriously he didn't let people in as to what those plans were. Just that they were different from the Republicans. Oh, and that they have better hair. So if you're Vidal Sassoon, the Kerry ticket is for you.

Fiscal responsibility? I usually try not to laugh directly in someone's face, but that may be unavoidable in this case.
Government out of people lives? Ditto

I can't debate you there. I think that Republicans and Democrats alike can guarantee what Ingraham had to say about this in her E-Blast this week:

Originally Posted by Laura Ingraham

Get serious about spending cuts. The complete and utter inability of the GOP to control spending is having a devastating impact on the credibility of all Republicans. After spending decades calling for smaller government, the GOP is now presiding over one of the largest explosions of government spending the country has ever seen. How can Republicans criticize Democratic plans for new government programs when they have to raise the government's debt ceiling every other week? Furthermore, how can the voters trust Republicans to keep taxes low when it is obvious that the U.S. government will have to raise taxes in order to pay for all the new spending that is taking place? Bush needs to pick a high-profile fight on spending to show that he is serious about this issue.

Giving 8 cell blastocysts the same rights as a functioning human being?

That viewpoint absolutely disgusts me. The same arguments were made to keep slavery in place! It makes me sick... the platonic chain of great being, the so-called "proof" in the Bible that blacks were inferior to whites, etc. It's sickening and disgusting. And then to hear "think about the life that child would've gone through. It's better this way." Again, what perverted thinking! Do we point out people in the street and say, "oh what a terrible life, let's kill them"? NO! So why is it ok to do it for a BABY in the womb?

I see. We'll just call that an unfortunate side effect and move on

I've been trying to be very careful what I say because politics are such a personal thing and it's hard to be tactful about it. It is my sincere attempt to not attack any person, but rather what is being said. I don't hold grudges or anything of that sort.

More serious than accusing someone of treason? One loses you respect; the other can get you killed.

Treason is worse, yes.