The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 256

Morrigoon · 11-30-2007, 01:03 PM

I got to see several minutes of Giuliani speaking last night on C-Span. Granted, I was already somewhat pulling for him, but I was VERY encouraged by what he had to say, and at this point I'd say I probably WILL give him my vote. He seems to "get it". Very articulate, very good at demonstrating that he understands the grey areas of issues.

For example, one reporter, hoping to trap him in an inconsistency asked him about his stance on illegal immigration, asked him if he thought his statement that we need to stop illegal immigration was inconsistent with his policies as mayor of NYC when he supported giving access to education and medical care to illegals. Rather than try to backpedal his way out, he took it head on and said no, he didn't think it was inconsistent at all, because as mayor of NYC he had a job to do - protect the best interests of the city. He talked a bit about how he reduced crime by 70% (blah blah blah) and then said, you have hundreds of thousands of illegals in the city, and they have kids. What are you going to do, leave them home? No, sending them to school keeps them out of trouble and decreases the chance that they'll turn to crime in the future as well. And with medical care, what is the alternative - turn them away at the hospital door to die in the streets or infect a citizen? Excellent points. He really defended his position well. In other words: dude's got brains.

GC: omg... I thought you were joking about the hostage thing

Ghoulish Delight · 12-10-2007, 09:43 AM

Forwarded to me by my mother:

There will be no Nativity Scene in the United States Congress this year!

The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene in the United States capitol building this Christmas season.

This isn't for any religious reason; they simply have not been able to find three wise men and a virgin in the Nation's capital.

There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable.

JWBear · 12-10-2007, 10:25 AM

That was pretty good, actually.

Gn2Dlnd · 12-10-2007, 02:05 PM

No shortage of Marys, however.

scaeagles · 12-14-2007, 06:36 AM

I find this whole Obama drug thing very interesting. I honestly do not know why the Hillary campaign is taking heat for this. Seriously. I can recall the whole GW Bush DUI thing released immediately before the election and that was fine.

I'm no fan of either, obviously....but isn't all fair in politics? Why shouldn't illegal drug usage (regardless of whether one feels drug usage should be illegal) be an issue? And if it isn't a big deal, why is the Obama campaign raising such a stink about it being discussed?

"It's a deliberate attempt to sabotage the campaign" are the the quotes I read from Obama staffers. Well, duh! It's freakin' primary time! Get over it and quit your whining.

Alex · 12-14-2007, 07:16 AM

Just like making a big stink about something your opponent did that you actually don't care about is part of the game, being all offended that your opponent is doing so, even though you probably expected it, is as well.

Of course, it is amusing because Hillary Clinton was part of one of the all time stupid drug dodges in political history with "I didn't inhale." (Since she is claiming the entirety of Bill Clinton's administration as personal experience I see no reason not to give her credit for the Bill Clinton stupidities as well.)

Alex · 01-03-2008, 12:02 PM

I can't say I know a damned thing about Mike Gravel, but I'm guessing he won't be elected president being all honest and stuff.

On teaching creationism in schools:

Quote:

As for creationism in the schools, Gravel says: “Oh God, no. Oh, Jesus. We thought we had made a big advance with the Scopes monkey trial … My God, evolution is a fact, and if these people are disturbed by being the descendants of monkeys and fishes, they’ve got a mental problem. We can’t afford the psychiatric bill for them. That ends the story as far as I’m concerned.”

JWBear · 01-03-2008, 02:15 PM

I wish people would stop with the "descended from monkeys" crap! Humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. It's like saying I'm a descendant of my cousin! <grumble, grumble, grumble>

Scrooge McSam · 01-03-2008, 02:22 PM

innerSpaceman · 01-03-2008, 04:04 PM

I didn't get a 'harumph' out of you!

11-30-2007, 01:03 PM	#1
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I got to see several minutes of Giuliani speaking last night on C-Span. Granted, I was already somewhat pulling for him, but I was VERY encouraged by what he had to say, and at this point I'd say I probably WILL give him my vote. He seems to "get it". Very articulate, very good at demonstrating that he understands the grey areas of issues. For example, one reporter, hoping to trap him in an inconsistency asked him about his stance on illegal immigration, asked him if he thought his statement that we need to stop illegal immigration was inconsistent with his policies as mayor of NYC when he supported giving access to education and medical care to illegals. Rather than try to backpedal his way out, he took it head on and said no, he didn't think it was inconsistent at all, because as mayor of NYC he had a job to do - protect the best interests of the city. He talked a bit about how he reduced crime by 70% (blah blah blah) and then said, you have hundreds of thousands of illegals in the city, and they have kids. What are you going to do, leave them home? No, sending them to school keeps them out of trouble and decreases the chance that they'll turn to crime in the future as well. And with medical care, what is the alternative - turn them away at the hospital door to die in the streets or infect a citizen? Excellent points. He really defended his position well. In other words: dude's got brains. GC: omg... I thought you were joking about the hostage thing __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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12-10-2007, 09:43 AM	#2
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Forwarded to me by my mother: There will be no Nativity Scene in the United States Congress this year! The Supreme Court has ruled that there cannot be a Nativity Scene in the United States capitol building this Christmas season. This isn't for any religious reason; they simply have not been able to find three wise men and a virgin in the Nation's capital. There was no problem, however, finding enough asses to fill the stable. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	That was pretty good, actually. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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Gn2Dlnd Parmmadore Jim Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Casita del Queso Posts: 3,810	No shortage of Marys, however. __________________ Does anyone still wear a hat?
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12-14-2007, 06:36 AM	#5
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I find this whole Obama drug thing very interesting. I honestly do not know why the Hillary campaign is taking heat for this. Seriously. I can recall the whole GW Bush DUI thing released immediately before the election and that was fine. I'm no fan of either, obviously....but isn't all fair in politics? Why shouldn't illegal drug usage (regardless of whether one feels drug usage should be illegal) be an issue? And if it isn't a big deal, why is the Obama campaign raising such a stink about it being discussed? "It's a deliberate attempt to sabotage the campaign" are the the quotes I read from Obama staffers. Well, duh! It's freakin' primary time! Get over it and quit your whining.
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12-14-2007, 07:16 AM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Just like making a big stink about something your opponent did that you actually don't care about is part of the game, being all offended that your opponent is doing so, even though you probably expected it, is as well. Of course, it is amusing because Hillary Clinton was part of one of the all time stupid drug dodges in political history with "I didn't inhale." (Since she is claiming the entirety of Bill Clinton's administration as personal experience I see no reason not to give her credit for the Bill Clinton stupidities as well.)
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01-03-2008, 02:15 PM	#8
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I wish people would stop with the "descended from monkeys" crap! Humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. It's like saying I'm a descendant of my cousin! <grumble, grumble, grumble> __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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01-03-2008, 02:22 PM	#9
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	<rabble rabble rabble>
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I didn't get a 'harumph' out of you!
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