The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Alex]

Barbra.

And she never said it so it will be a long wait (she said, while at the White House for Clinton something like "if Bush wins you won't seem me around here for the next 4 years." "Here" meant the White House. I suspect she was right on that one).

However, if you want commitment, see Robert Altman. He was quite blunt about it. And he had to balls to eventually follow through by dying...eventually.

[JWBear]

Popular conservative blogger officially breaks from the right wing

...The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.

I won’t be going over the cliff with them.

[scaeagles]

I stand corrected on Streisand. A snopes link provided some info on others such as Altman and Peral Jam Vedder and Alec Baldwin.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Wonderful. Irvine City Councilman Steven Choi joins in on the idiotic comparisons of health care reform supporters to Hitler and Stalin.

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And then when people called him on it, he whines that the criticism of his actions is "partisanship".

[scaeagles]

And Harry Reid has compared opposition to the current health care reform to opposition of civil rights, abolishing slavery, and giving women the right to vote.

From this link:

"Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all the Republicans can come up with is, 'slow down, stop everything, let's start over.' If you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right," Reid said Monday. "When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said 'slow down, it's too early, things aren't bad enough.'"

He continued: "When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted they simply, slow down, there will be a better day to do that, today isn't quite right.

"When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today."

a$$hole.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And Harry Reid has compared opposition to the current health care reform to opposition of civil rights, abolishing slavery, and giving women the right to vote.

From this link:

"Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all the Republicans can come up with is, 'slow down, stop everything, let's start over.' If you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right," Reid said Monday. "When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said 'slow down, it's too early, things aren't bad enough.'"

He continued: "When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted they simply, slow down, there will be a better day to do that, today isn't quite right.

"When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today."

a$$hole.

Sorry. I happen to think that he is 100% correct.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And Harry Reid has compared opposition to the current health care reform to opposition of civil rights, abolishing slavery, and giving women the right to vote.

From this link:

"Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all the Republicans can come up with is, 'slow down, stop everything, let's start over.' If you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right," Reid said Monday. "When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said 'slow down, it's too early, things aren't bad enough.'"

He continued: "When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted they simply, slow down, there will be a better day to do that, today isn't quite right.

"When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today."

a$$hole.

As someone who has no healthcare - I disagree. You speak from a the point of view of someone who has a doctor for their kids when they are sick. We go to the CVS minute clinic - and I'm eternally gratefull for it. My husband - who had health care through his work - was laid off. It's not available through mine because not enough of our staff will participate. (factory workers don't seem to want to.)

So - what in the heck am I supposed to do if one of my kids breaks an arm? Or worse - what if something tragic happens and I end up in the hospital?

What then? I'm fvcked is what!

So - I'm all for not slowing down. Give me access to staying alive thank you very much.

This really pisses me off. You must be so much more deserving then we are or something - perhaps it would just be easier for all of you with health care if all of us without were to just die off then you wouldn't need to share your precious doctors and hospitals with us lowly people.

How sad is it then we have to tell our kids - we can't participate in that because if you get hurt we won't be able to pay for the doctor and the roof over our head/food to eat etc.

How about this - why don't you go without health care for awhile, wait for your kids to get sick or need surgery or something, and get back to me.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Betty

So - what in the heck am I supposed to do if one of my kids breaks an arm? Or worse - what if something tragic happens and I end up in the hospital?

Catastrophic insurance is cheap. Look into it through Anthem Blue Cross.

It's what I had when I was out of work.

[Strangler Lewis]

What historical parallels would you prefer where there was arguably a clear choice to upset the status quo by taking the bull by the horns and doing what was (believed to be) right in a broad strike or essentially not doing it at all by delaying, deferring and compromising? Firing the air traffic controllers?

[scaeagles]

Well, as ridiculous as this is and I DO NOT believe that health care supporters are Nazis, it is true that Nazi Germany moved toward government control of health care.

So I suppose it happens to be the intentional choice of those issues to draw specific moral comparison that is problematic and outrageous. I do not believe our medical system to be immoral, yet those things he mentioned clearly were.