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Ghoulish Delight · 07-21-2006, 08:25 AM

Oh, I'm well aware of all the technical marvles in the film. But Pearl Harbor also has a laundry list of technical achievments. Doesn't make it the best movie of all time. Not that I'd compare the two, just saying that beyond the technical reasons, I'm unable to judge the intangible impact of the movie having been deprived of seeing it sans prior knowledge.

Gemini Cricket · 07-21-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Oh, I'm well aware of all the technical marvles in the film. But Pearl Harbor also has a laundry list of technical achievments. Doesn't make it the best movie of all time. Not that I'd compare the two, just saying that beyond the technical reasons, I'm unable to judge the intangible impact of the movie having been deprived of seeing it sans prior knowledge.

Kane vs. Pearl Harbor

One was a first for its time. One is canned spew.

Kane has been a model for hundreds and hundreds of films that followed it. But I guess the same could be said for PH.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-21-2006, 08:29 AM

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One was a first for its time. One is canned spew.

Which is exactly my point. I can list the technical whizz-bangs of Pearl Harbor, it remains a crappy movie despite them. Citizen Kane's technical achievments aren't what make it a classic. They're what made it noteable at the time (just as the special effects are what made Pearl Harbor noteable at the time), but it's the creative qualities that has made it last.

Gemini Cricket · 07-21-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Which is exactly my point. I can list the technical whizz-bangs of Pearl Harbor, it remains a crappy movie despite them. Citizen Kane's technical achievments aren't what make it a classic. They're what made it noteable at the time (just as the special effects are what made Pearl Harbor noteable at the time), but it's the creative qualities that has made it last.

Maybe it's the creative use of the technical achievments that makes it a classic?
There's also the huge story about how Hearst tried to crush Welles and the film for portraying his wife negatively. I'm sure that added some appeal to the film then and now.

Matterhorn Fan · 07-21-2006, 10:42 AM

I'm suprised by how many people here have not seen "The Graduate." Isn't that on television often enough?

Kevy Baby · 07-21-2006, 10:10 PM

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I'm suprised by how many people here have not seen "The Graduate." Isn't that on television often enough?

There aren't many movies that I would want to see on TV for the first time. I just KNOW that too many important elements are missing when I see a TV version. Even if no content is lost, the ALWAYS untimely commercials and pan and scan (a HUGE peev of mine) are enough to ruin any movie.

It always cracks me up when I see Blazing Saddles on broadcast television. They have to take so much out that they invariably have to put in cut scenes just to make it reasonably lengthy. I saw one version where they added three different additional ways that Sheriff Bart captures Mongo.

Putting Blazing Saddles on broadcast TV makes as much sense as trying to show porn.

Freaky Tiki · 07-21-2006, 10:54 AM

I've seen it, but never on TV. Good flick.

I've never seen Grease...and you won't pay me enough money to watch it. I've seen stage productions of it, and have enjoyed them, but I never want to see the movie.

Disneyphile · 07-21-2006, 04:20 PM

Since I don't want to bore you all with an anticipated overly long post, here's the list of films from that list that I have seen in entirety:

1. CITIZEN KANE (1941)
4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939)
6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939)
9. SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993)
10. SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (1952)
11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946)
15. STAR WARS (1977)
25. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (1982)
34. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962)
41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961)
48. JAWS (1975)
49. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937)
53. AMADEUS (1984)
54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930)
55. THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)
58. FANTASIA (1940)
60. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)
62. TOOTSIE (1982)
64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977)
65. THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991)
71. FORREST GUMP (1994)
72. BEN-HUR (1959)
75. DANCES WITH WOLVES (1990)
78. ROCKY (1976)

Yeah, it's kinda sad. I'm not that, um... cultured.

Alex · 07-21-2006, 05:01 PM

I don't really think either Unbreakable or Signs had twists, more just revelations on the implications of what you'd been seeing. Neither ending changed the meaning of what had been seen before.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-21-2006, 10:12 PM

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Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	Since I don't want to bore you all with an anticipated overly long post, here's the list of films from that list that I have seen in entirety: 1. CITIZEN KANE (1941) 4. GONE WITH THE WIND (1939) 6. THE WIZARD OF OZ (1939) 9. SCHINDLER'S LIST (1993) 10. SINGIN' IN THE RAIN (1952) 11. IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946) 15. STAR WARS (1977) 25. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL (1982) 34. TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD (1962) 41. WEST SIDE STORY (1961) 48. JAWS (1975) 49. SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS (1937) 53. AMADEUS (1984) 54. ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (1930) 55. THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965) 58. FANTASIA (1940) 60. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981) 62. TOOTSIE (1982) 64. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (1977) 65. THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991) 71. FORREST GUMP (1994) 72. BEN-HUR (1959) 75. DANCES WITH WOLVES (1990) 78. ROCKY (1976) Yeah, it's kinda sad. I'm not that, um... cultured.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't really think either Unbreakable or Signs had twists, more just revelations on the implications of what you'd been seeing. Neither ending changed the meaning of what had been seen before.
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