Al Gore:How Green Is He?

[scaeagles]

Whatever. Sorry to offend you by finding it humorous that he tells me my SUV will be the death of humanity but flies half way across the world to give a speech. I can't make you see the irony I see, you can't make me think I'm judging him. Is calling the situation ironic judging him? Is saying that I find it to be hypocritical that he takes those flights while criticizing someone for what they choose to drive judging him? I guess it is a value judgement, but I have never seen making a value judgement on an action the same as judging a person. I don't question his fervor, only his methods.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sorry to offend you by finding it humorous that he tells me my SUV will be the death of humanity but flies half way across the world to give a speech. I can't make you see the irony I see, you can't make me think I'm judging him. Is calling the situation ironic judging him?

You can't make me see that irony because the first half of the ironic situation is not true. He makes no such claim. Or, at least, not without the nuance you won't see in his message.

SUVs are a problem because they put carbon into the air without any effort to remove an equal amount of carbon. Gore emits carbon on all of his travel and endeavors to remove equal amounts of atmospheric carbon. Driving SUVs is not the problem. Doing nothing to ameliorate the carbon emissions of SUVs is the problem.

So yes, you are finding it humorous simply because you believe him to have said something he has not said. Therefore you are judging him on your terms. Not his.

You don't offend me. The unwillingness to engage him on what he actually says rather than caricatures of what he says simply baffles me. Bafflement is not offense.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

You can't make me see that irony because the first half of the ironic situation is not true. He makes no such claim.

Actually, in his book Earth in the Balance, he says that the internal combustion engine poses a greater threat to the future of mankind than nuclear weapons.

I have expanded upon that to say that he is saying that my SUV will be the death of humanity. I am saying what I am saying in sarcasm.....of course he did not literally say the SUV is going to be the death of humanity.

And I apologize for the crankiness in my earlier post. I'm cranky this week. Of course there was no offense taken on your part.

[Prudence]

Do his appearances coincide with fund-raising efforts? I have no idea, but if they do, I would imagine that personal appearances are necessary. More people show up for "appearing live" than "teleconference".

[innerSpaceman]

Until scaeagles puts away the sad, green face .... how 'bout we all tread a little lightly around him?



After all, his neocon world is crumbing .... and then there's, well, the new job stress. It's a whole new universe for Leo. Let's take it easy on him, huh? Just till he gets his bearing again.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Until scaeagles puts away the sad, green face .... how 'bout we all tread a little lightly around him?

Are you calling me cranky, you buttwad? I didn't say anyone else had that right - just me.

[Scrooge McSam]

from yahoo.news:

The op-ed attacking former vice president Al Gore's environmental record was extremely misleading.


Former vice president Gore has worked to implement the recommendations from his movie and book, An Inconvenient Truth, and that includes his personal commitment to live a zero-carbon lifestyle.

He reduces the global-warming pollution for which he is responsible and then, each year, finances additional reductions elsewhere until his net impact on the global climate is reduced to zero.

He has long since switched to a hybrid car and was already in the process of adding solar photovoltaic units to his home before the commentary was published.

In addition, the Gores have donated 100% of all the profits from his movie and book to the fight against global-warming pollution.

The assertion by author Peter Schweizer that the Gores were swimming in Occidental stock is also off base. At Mr. Gore's request, all of his father's stock in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum was sold almost six years ago as the estate was closed. So, although Mr. Gore has and will continue to call on his fellow Americans to do their part to combat global warming, he isn't asking of them what he isn't willing to do himself.

Rather than vilifying a person who is trying to make a difference, wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?

Kalee Kreider, communications director

Office of Al Gore and Tipper Gore

Nashville

[Not Afraid]

Rather than vilifying a person who is trying to make a difference, wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?

BINGO!

[Nephythys]

HA- I love it!

When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

HA- I love it!

When on one hand you can claim to not being able to judge Gore based on the article- you see perfectly fit to suspect that the author has done nothing for the enviornment.

Who knows if he's done anything for the environment, he chooses to spend his time criticizing people who actually ARE doing something.