Disney's Dubious Path to 9/11

[scaeagles]

I think the ratings reference made earlier was in regard to Sunday night.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I think the ratings reference made earlier was in regard to Sunday night.

ah- thanks

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

So it seems the world continues to spin on the expected axis.

Everybody formed opinions before they had seen the movie, defended those opinions with the statements of paraphrased support/criticisms of interested parties, some of whom had but most of whom had not seen the movie, decided not to actually watch the movie, and now feel that their initial opinions have been validated by what was shown but not actually experienced.

So by that logic, a studios best chance for ratings is to create the biggest piece of crap they can come up with. Something that is sure to offend everyone. That way everyone HAS to watch it or be deemed closed minded. Oh wait, I think I just explained network programming in a nutshell.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Why do you lend that report such credence, Scrooge? Granted, it is the "official" government report, but you are hardly one to take the "official" government word on anything.

Whey the quotes around "official". Please don't tell me that you are implying that "path" is more historically accurate than the report from the 9/11 commission?

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I would conjecture- (edited to remove conjecture) but I suspect that there is some truth to my conjecture.

You can't second your own motion, Neph.

But I get your point.

I'm going to watch the full unedited version tonight (if I can stomach it).

Like I said last week, my problem with ABC showing the movie had nothing to do with my pro-Clinton or anti-Bush stance. It had to do with a "news organization" (which plays by different rules than "entertainment", especially during election time), using the public airwaves to disseminate fiction dressed up as truth. Period.

It's the government's hypocrisy that irks me. In this case, the FCC, which allows things like this to happen, while consistently overstepping its bounds to censor broadcasters for "obscenities". The FCC was crap under Clinton, and it's been crap under Bush. The pandering to the moral right is nothing new for the past several decades in both the Dems and the GOP.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

So by that logic, a studios best chance for ratings is to create the biggest piece of crap they can come up with. Something that is sure to offend everyone. That way everyone HAS to watch it or be deemed closed minded. Oh wait, I think I just explained network programming in a nutshell.

Well no. Because when people make movies that has everybody lining up beforehand to decide what the movie says, what the movie means, and that the movie is the most important/most damaging cultural artifact since Cher then generally people don't feel any need to actually watch it. Why risk having what is already known shown to be wrong?

But it wasn't a comment about ratings but rather a comment about being comfortable with preconceived notions. When Jerry Falwell condemned Brokeback Mountain without actually seeing it his view was rightly disregarded. I feel the same way here.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by mousepod

You can't second your own motion, Neph.

But I get your point.

I'm going to watch the full unedited version tonight (if I can stomach it).

Like I said last week, my problem with ABC showing the movie had nothing to do with my pro-Clinton or anti-Bush stance. It had to do with a "news organization" (which plays by different rules than "entertainment", especially during election time), using the public airwaves to disseminate fiction dressed up as truth. Period.

It's the government's hypocrisy that irks me. In this case, the FCC, which allows things like this to happen, while consistently overstepping its bounds to censor broadcasters for "obscenities". The FCC was crap under Clinton, and it's been crap under Bush. The pandering to the moral right is nothing new for the past several decades in both the Dems and the GOP.

From what I hear-

*The Bush administration does not get off the hook on this one.
*The main message is that gov't red tape and beauracracy caused alot of problems- that certain action should have been taken- and wasn't. That is factual.
*That the people you come away hating are the enemy- the terrorists who want to see us dead or converted.

Let us know- I will be interested to hear another opinion.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Well no. Because when people make movies that has everybody lining up beforehand to decide what the movie says, what the movie means, and that the movie is the most important/most damaging cultural artifact since Cher then generally people don't feel any need to actually watch it. Why risk having what is already known shown to be wrong?

But it wasn't a comment about ratings but rather a comment about being comfortable with preconceived notions. When Jerry Falwell condemned Brokeback Mountain without actually seeing it his view was rightly disregarded. I feel the same way here.

Whew! I was worried that, by what I perceived to be your logic, I would actually have to bend down and sniff that pile of what looks like dogcrap prior to cleaning it up and throwing it away. I was also worried that I was really going to have to listen to the Dixie Chicks to ascertain that their last album was indeed pop and not country.

I based my decision not to watch this show on three things: I object to the network producing something that claims to be what it is not.

I don't watch infomercials or paid political commercials.

Harvey Keitel gets on my nerves. Used to like him, but he's gone downhill.

Neph, am I correct in assuming you didn't watch it either? I just wonder, as you said "From what I hear.." in your post. Not taking you to task if you didn't- I obviously didn't watch it as well. If you did watch it, where was the Bush admin nailed? Still waiting for an actual example on that one.

Oh, and I agree with Scrooge with regards to the Commision Report. Good post, Scrooge.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

*That the people you come away hating are the enemy- the terrorists who want to see us dead or converted.

Yes, because nothing makes the world better than finding reasons to hate.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, because nothing makes the world better than finding reasons to hate.

I fail to see any reason to twist what I said into that statement- but if it makes you happy to do so...whatever.