Yes, we can.

[innerSpaceman]

Maybe it wouldn't have happened if Obama's right turn doesn't look now like it's his Swift Boat moment and turning point.

Yes, every democratic nominee does it. But Obama seeming like every other democratic nominee kinda takes the wind out of the sails that blew him to the nomination.


I think the cover art is a symptom of a failing campaign. Obama's looking like just another pol ... which, to those who've bothered to study his campaign history, is exactly what he is.


But he better start wearing the Hope Candidate disguise again, or he can expect much worse treatment from the press, from his base and from voters in the Fall.

[scaeagles]

I just do not know how Jesse Jackson has had any credibility for the last, oh, couple decades or so, and now that it was revealed he dropped the "N" bomb in his didn't-know-the-mic-was-on moment (in case you haven't heard, he accused Obama of talking down to "N"s).

I'm tempted to go into a racial discussion of acceptable racism vs. unacceptable racism, but this isn't the place for it, I suppose.

[innerSpaceman]

Why isn't this the place for it?


Personally, while I have a problem with any one claiming they didn't know they could be heard while they're wearing a microphone in any state of presumed operational status ... I have no problem with any person of color using the N word casually.

In case you didn't notice, they get a pass on that. And i think that's a great development in the use of language.

[scaeagles]

Well, I do suppose that there have been enough derails in this thread.....

They certainly do get a pass. I suppose I get that, but I think it goes beyond that. Do you think Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice would get a pass from anyone for using the "N" word? Yet Robert Byrd seemed to. Jackson demanded the firing of Don Imus for his comments. Jackson is still treated as the go to guy on racial equality even though he is a racist himself, or at least by what I would figure to be "racially insensitive" by his own standards, using terms like "hymie town". Trent Lott got destroyed for praise of Strom Thurmond at the guy's birthday party (I think it was his birthday party).

Isn't racism racism regardless of who spews it forth?

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Yet Robert Byrd seemed to.

What are you talking about?

[innerSpaceman]

Yes, it is. And while i think public figures would be foolish to express any kind of racism, the stuff directed at your own race or group is considered self-depricating, and thus allowed.


That doesn't include the use of nigher, which is not used as a racial epithet when bandied about among blacks.



But yeah, depending upon each individual statment, racism is racism is racism.

[flippyshark]

All well and good, except that Jackson didn't say THAT "N word." What he said was:

"Barack been talkin' down to black people. I wanna tear his nuts off."

Edited to add: Oh, now I read the news. Okay, so he used THAT N word. I still think the castration comment trumps that down to the ground.

Sorry for posting without knowing what the f I was talking about - DP

[scaeagles]

Robert Byrd was interviewed a few years ago and referred to knowing many "N"s. It was washed over and aides said "oh, he was just tired".

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Jackson is a racist and an anti-semite. I have zero respect for the man and hate that he has any clout at all.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Jackson is a racist and an anti-semite. I have zero respect for the man and hate that he has any clout at all.

Well, in Jesse's defense, the middle aged, middle class Jews in my New York neighborhood in the late 60s/early 70s seemed to have little affinity for black causes or for the black children who were bused to my school, none of whom found their way into the gifted classes that were full of Jewish kids.