Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Cool - so in your directoral vision, would those clerks necessarily be a size 12 or less?

In my own imagined perfect world? I guess so. Same way that I'd cast leggy girls for can-can dancing at the Golden Horseshoe, strapping young men for the canoes, sweet-voiced female storytellers for Storybook, goofy looking guys for Jungle Cruise, and creepy looking people to staff the Mansion. And of course, I'd balance looks with ability. I admit that if I had two chicks in my office applying for a store clerk with similar qualifications and abilities, I'd take the prettier one. Once again, pretty doesn't have to involve weight.

It's all subjective as to where we draw the line. There are people for whom their personal imagined perfect world would require clerks to necessarily be a size 12 or more. Some guys go for heavier people. Same goes for women. Same goes for gay men/women. What do you think a gay "bear" dream for DL would include? Lash, you want to jump in here?

The problem is that we're all different, and any business is going to want to appeal to as many people as possible. Apparently most people in our society feel that under a size 12 (or whatever made-up boundary line one wishes to create) is more attractive.

Prudence, I know you think I insulted you, and I have no idea why you keep feeling that way. Should I cry because I have a friend who prefers big tits over my tiny ones? I don't know your husband personally but from what you've said he obviously loves you and is very attracted to you. Having said that, he probably wouldn't find me very attractive at all, but I see no reason to feel insulted because of that. I know not everyone wants a scrawny girl with no meat on her bones and a flat chest. I'm ok with that.

I'm still wondering if anyone is going to try and claim that they're physically attracted to everybody equally.

Eliza - I love LSPE too, and you as well.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The problem is that we're all different, and any business is going to want to appeal to as many people as possible. Apparently most people in our society feel that under a size 12 (or whatever made-up boundary line one wishes to create) is more attractive.

See, this is the probelem as I see it - Disneyland has long abandoned this "Size 12" standard - and it appears you are arguing that they shouldn't have, because "under size 12" is still considered a cultural norm for "attractiveness" - not that you personally feel this way - you are just taking Disney to task for not reinstating it, or that's how it's coming across.

I too believe beauty is subjective. I also think the current policies of Disneyland help promote that belief. Sure Disney is within it's rights to require weight standards (though actually that might not be true if my recolection of recent stewardess lawsuits are correct) but I don't know why you would bring that up unless you feel the current crop of CMs are to "unattractive" for the "show."

It's like saying I have no problem with gay lifestyles, but I wish California would reinstate and enforce it's anti-sodimy laws - not that I believe in them becasue well, some of my best friends are gay.

Perhaps I'm missing something in your posts, but that is how they have come across, and why I can see that someone might take offense.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

See, this is the probelem as I see it - Disneyland has long abandoned this "Size 12" standard - and it appears you are arguing that they shouldn't have, because "under size 12" is still considered a cultural norm for "attractiveness" - not that you personally feel this way - you are just taking Disney to task for not reinstating it, or that's how it's coming across.

I used the term "size 12" because you mentioned it. I couldn't point to a line of increasingly heavy people and say "there, that's where they get too big to be attractive, so whatever size they are is beyond the limit." I could, however, look between two people, interview them, and find out which are more able to fill the role I'm casting for.

I guess my question would be, where does it stop? Do they make costumes for size 24? Size 144? Is a person just above whatever increment they decide to stop at being discriminated against? Who decides? I sure as hell wouldn't be able to.

Sure Disney is within it's rights to require weight standards (though actually that might not be true if my recolection of recent stewardess lawsuits are correct) but I don't know why you would bring that up unless you feel the current crop of CMs are to "unattractive" for the "show."

I do feel that I would be cool with them putting a more focus on this.

It's like saying I have no problem with gay lifestyles, but I wish California would reinstate and enforce it's anti-sodimy laws - not that I believe in them becasue well, some of my best friends are gay.

I am fine with the movies casting attractive people for attractive parts. I don't mind that an unattractive person has a snowballs chance in hell of having a movie star career. Do you? Even though you may know some unattractive people? Even though I know that I personally would have that same snowball's chance in hell.

To restate - I have no problem with people that I'm not physically attracted to, but I hope showbusiness will continue to employ hotties, because I like looking at hotties. Doesn't everyone?

I know it's all hip to say that the movies are so fake and blah blah blah but come on, everybody likes eyecandy. And isn't unreality the point?

Perhaps I'm missing something in your posts, but that is how they have come across, and why I can see that someone might take offense.

My thanks to Chris for engaging me in conversation instead of condemning me without pointing to what I'm doing wrong.

[lashbear]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

What do you think a gay "bear" dream for DL would include? Lash, you want to jump in here? .

Thanks, don't mind if I do.

All the Male CM's would look like:

• SzczerbiakManiac
• ISM (and Zapppp from memory) when they had the facial hair
• Euromeinke
• Al Borland

All the female CM's would look like Al Borland too.


PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by lashbear

Thanks, don't mind if I do.

All the Male CM's would look like:

• SzczerbiakManiac
• ISM (and Zapppp from memory) when they had the facial hair
• Euromeinke
• Al Borland

All the female CM's would look like Al Borland too.


PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

There's my husband being the Stone Cold Fox again. (PS: Boss Radio decided to call him that and it's great to see him turn red!)

It's about time others discovered what I already knew.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by lashbear

PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

Too late

[Prudence]

I thought it wasn't possible to be hurt any more by this thread. Now not only am I fat and ugly, but all conflict is my fault. Thanks for kicking me while I'm down. I suppose that's what I get for letting my guard down.

[tracilicious]

Oh, Pru, I hope that you didn't get that impression from my posts!

[innerSpaceman]

Prudence, you are some piece of work. There's a big difference between saying you're the only one offering up the opposing point of view (which I specifically said was ok for a message board - jeebus, that's the essence of discussion!) and saying it's all your fault.

Your arguments are valid, your points are persuasive ... but please get off the pity train and stop taking everything so personally negative.


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Euro -- I am not one who ever claimed, in this thread or elsewhere, that I don't find fat unattractive. I do indeed find it physically unattractive. It's simply not the factor on which I base my relationships. The people I'm friends and lovers with have 6,322 other factors of attraction - - some negative and most of them positive.

And for the record, I don't equate fat with ugly. I simply equate fat with not as physically attractive as possible. At least fat can, in most cases, be changed. There are plenty of other physical traits, impossible to alter, that I find unattractive. Any one of those traits are also but 1 in 6,322 that I evaluate in terms of friendship. And yes, the physical attraction traits take on more value in establishing a romance, and have practically no value in establishing a friendship.



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And I do see the Disneyland CMs as more like stage dressing than characters. But extras are cast with requirements, just as are stars. Being that CMs have speaking parts, their roles - as I see it - fall somewhere between extras and stars (perhaps Cameo would be the best analogy). A detailed back-story or method-acting motivation would not be necessary (though I would not be surprised if many CMs came up with that stuff on their own).

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Euro -- I am not one who ever claimed, in this thread or elsewhere, that I don't find fat unattractive. I do indeed find it physically unattractive. It's simply not the factor on which I base my relationships.

Ok - let me try again - the friendship relationship thing is a distractor, another personal disclaimer statement - but if I distill your agruments it comes down to:

Disneyland is a show and shows should have people over X lbs becasue that is unattractive to society in general and somehow ruins/lessens the show for you.

And I can see how someone might take offense at that, regarless of claims of other factors, friends, relatives, etc.

I guess I have to pose to you the same question I posed Jen - Why does the "show" require a CM's size 12 or less?