100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students...

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I doubt it. There is no requirement in this country that I have any identification on me while walking down the street. Walking down the street or participating in a rally (assuming you are nonviolent) does not give probable cause for a government agency to stop anyone.

Then why were they able to do it on the bus? I don't know what would have happened if you didn't have ID as everybody always did.

[scaeagles]

Perhaps the INS operates under different rules. I know that local police forces are not permitted to do because of a case in a Phoenix suburb (Chandler) where the police department started making inquiries into the legal status of people gathering at day laborer hangouts. Quite the uproar, and the government of Chandler had to pay out some hefty damages in a lawsuit.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

But hey, the democrats see votes!! Who cares if they're illegal!

What on that flyer indicates illegal votes? Legal immigrants from Mexico (who form a VERY large and VERY legal voting contingent) play a huge role in this issue. Seems like a logical demographic to woo.

If the point of posting that photo was to say that Democrats will benefit from a turnout of people who support less severe handling of illegal immigrants...well, duh. That's hardly news and I don't need to see a photgraph in the internet to convince me of that. If the point was that "the democrats" support illegal voting practices, then yes, I'd have to see some official party support to believe that, 'cause without that all you have is someone with a few buck and access to a print shop who can, by vague inference, be seen to be encouraging illegal voting. Not exactly the same things as "the democracts".

Or, to paraphrase my own post from another thread...It's on a message board?! It must be true!

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

but it WAS a Dem flyer in the post-

I could make that flyer in about 15 minutes, change the word "democrat" to "republican" and post it here. Would the picture I posted be accepted by you as an official endorsment of your party?

[Nephythys]

Link- better stated than I am, especially today

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I could make that flyer in about 15 minutes, change the word "democrat" to "republican" and post it here. Would the picture I posted be accepted by you as an official endorsment of your party?

LOL- unless I actively denouced it, I can be fairly certain of being painted with that brush. Yes.....

Though someone else had this observation-

This is an issue that Democrats and Republicans ought to be united about; and I hope that many are.

But now comes word that the Far-Left elements of the Democratic Party were out over the weekend recruiting voters among immigration protesters. I cannot think of an example of how fragmented the 'Rats are, than the example they are providing here today!

There are a lot of people who are Democrats, that ought to be as pissed off about this as I am. I resent being painted as anti-immigration about this, when in reality I am anti-Illegal Immigration. Many of my Democratic friends feel the same way I do about this and resent the hell out of the far-left extremists in the Party that keep hijacking the message to suit their own Political views, and end up white-washing everybody else as extremists too...

It's amazing that the National Democratic leadership just cannot find the guts to come out an denounce at least some of the nonsense that's going on out there. In essence, the message that is being put out is that the 'Rats will do anything to compromise their own Country, their own Safety, and their own self respect, all in a quest to score another far-left point.

and of course I am looking for more info- but frankly people here will choose what to believe. That's not my job.

Yet another link with good info

The partisan defense is also a waste- they ALL screwed up. But to deny the vote pandering by EITHER party is dishonest.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

LOL- unless I actively denouced it, I can be fairly certain of being painted with that brush. Yes.....

Ah, but the question wasn't "would others accept it and attribute it to your beliefs?", but rather "would you accept it?". My point was simply to suggest that the picture you posted a link to has no way of being authenticated as coming from the democrats and I highly doubt that it did.

And just for the record, I happen to not side with the democrats position on illegal immigration.

[Gemini Cricket]

Huge protest here in Boston. At 4pm, there were large groups meeting at Boston Common. There was also a long line of protestors parading down the Freedom Trail. Really neat to see all these people coming out and voicing their opinions. I don't know how many people were there. Too many to count.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Ah, but the question wasn't "would others accept it and attribute it to your beliefs?", but rather "would you accept it?". My point was simply to suggest that the picture you posted a link to has no way of being authenticated as coming from the democrats and I highly doubt that it did.

And just for the record, I happen to not side with the democrats position on illegal immigration.

Yet you arbitrarily decide that the photo is some sort of fake- or nothing more than a ploy. Heaven forbid a democrat made that flyer. It's so much easier for you to think it's a fakery. Funny, from my POV, I find it hard to believe that a Dem would NOT do something just like it.

Oh well- like I said, you'll just decide what to believe. If I find more info, I will provide it. I am actively seeking it out.

[scaeagles]

The rally here in Phoenix, slated to start at 1:00pm local time, has a crowd of less than half of what was expected. They were planning on 100,000, but the estimates on the radio I've heard are anywhere from 20-40K.

I read that Pittburgh got about 100 (not 100,000 - but an actual 100 people), but that Dallas yesterday got over 500,000.