The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

WE? Who is WE MBC?

Not to put words in MBC's mouth, I think one could make the case that We (AKA the US Government) is at least partially responsible for the the kind of anarchy and chaos that has allowed the increased killing of innocents.

Saddam may have been an evil dictator who killed innocent people, but I imagine at least there one had some sort rules one could live by to prevent yourself from being a victim (i.e. shut up and join the Bath party). Yeah that flys in the face of our democratic dream, but I think you yourself are willing to trade some of your civil liberties for security. I suspect some Iraqies might feel the same way and see democracy as a system by which innocents are more randomly killed than by the other system.

I'm clueless as to the actual numbers, and not really interested in finding them out, but that's how I understand MBC's argument.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Not to put words in MBC's mouth, I think one could make the case that We (AKA the US Government) is at least partially responsible for the the kind of anarchy and chaos that has allowed the increased killing of innocents.

Saddam may have been an evil dictator who killed innocent people, but I imagine at least there one had some sort rules one could live by to prevent yourself from being a victim (i.e. shut up and join the Bath party). Yeah that flys in the face of our democratic dream, but I think you yourself are willing to trade some of your civil liberties for security. I suspect some Iraqies might feel the same way and see democracy as a system by which innocents are more randomly killed than by the other system.

I'm clueless as to the actual numbers, and not really interested in finding them out, but that's how I understand MBC's argument.

Yep, that is pretty much my argument in a nutshell.

[innerSpaceman]

It's not proper message board ettiquette to post about who is on your ignore list. Let's have that be the last of it, please (both of you).

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

It's not proper message board ettiquette to post about who is on your ignore list. Let's have that be the last of it, please (both of you).

Duly noted.

[Nephythys]

It is shocking to me that people cast some kind of backward blame on the US- and have no harsh words at all for the insurgent bastards who plant the IED's or the car bombs.

How about blame for the people who do the killing.

What a novel idea.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It is shocking to me that people cast some kind of backward blame on the US- and have no harsh words at all for the insurgent bastards who plant the IED's or the car bombs.

Surely you aren't referring to me. I could swear I JUST posted this:

Are "we" "responsible" for the violence there now? No, the people committing it are.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Surely you aren't referring to me.

I didn't think so. I took that to mean that some think it necessary to state that "scumbags who kill innocents are evil" in every friggin post one makes, rather than understanding it's more or less a given.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It is shocking to me that people cast some kind of backward blame on the US- and have no harsh words at all for the insurgent bastards who plant the IED's or the car bombs.

Why would you assume that we have no harsh words for those setting off car bombs? I haven't exactly read any quotes praising their actions. Of course, they are bastards. But, they weren't there before we decided to interfere.

How about blame for the people who do the killing.

What a novel idea.

How about blame for everyone that created this mess.

Now THERE is a novel idea.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It is shocking to me that people cast some kind of backward blame on the US- and have no harsh words at all for the insurgent bastards who plant the IED's or the car bombs.

How about blame for the people who do the killing.

What a novel idea.

You know, it'd be easier to respond to if you spelled out who "people" are in the context of your post. It seems to imply posters on this board, so I would expect that this is not the case of the general "people" of this board but if you are talking about specific people here, call them out and let them respond for themselves instead of miscellaneous other people like myself who wonder, "is she talking about me? Should I respond to this?"

In any event, I'll just ask you, are you talking about me? Are you looking for a response from me on this?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

In any event, I'll just ask you, are you talking about me? Are you looking for a response from me on this?

General You?