Ain't that a trip?

[Betty]

[quote=Alex Stroup]Is LSD now hard to find? I know people who were regularly using it a couple years ago.

I tried it twice and never experienced a true hallucination (beyond thinking that my penmanship was the best ever accomplished by mortal hands) QUOTE]

Ha!

[scaeagles]

I've never had a desire to try such things.

Having been sedated and drugged many times over the last couple of years due to medical reasons, I honestly do not know why anyone would enjoy the feeling of being drugged. It just makes me feel.....icky. I don't enjoy loosing control over my faculties, and like Alex stated, I like the way my brain operates without trying to alter it.

I cannot imagine that any mind altering drug is particularly good for you regardless of frequency. I suppose caffeine through chocolate is about the only drug I put into my body willingly (with the exception of pain killers following surgery, and i didn't like those a bit).

[innerSpaceman]

Well, it's been hard to find for me, in L.A. Not that I've gone on an all-out manhunt. Cause it takes a toll on the body (even if it's pure, which it rarely is) that I'm not much up for these days.

As for feeling "drugged," I don't think that's what I'd call the effect. Though some people like that feeling, I can't stand it. Painkillers, downers, yuk. Acid is not the kind of thing that makes you feel doped up or drugged in the sense I think scaeagles is referring to.

I won't go all into what it does make you feel like. Grrrrr. Bah on all this talk! Just git me some, or shut yer yaps.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Alex, you should try shrooms...you're much less likely to have yucky side effects. I've done both and acid really screwed up my body - muscle tension and such. It was also really damn intense. With shrooms you can control dosage much more effectively, so you can start small and go bigger if you like. You won't get full-on hallucinations usually but the visual effects are a pleasant accompaniment to the mental/emotional trip.

Ah, memories.

I think iSm should try attending the pseudo-raves going these days and see what's up. Acid was definitely available 5 years ago at such things.

scaeagles - What iSm said is true, truly recreational drugs don't just make you feel less pain or whack you out. It's a whole 'nother deal. Plus, I don't suppose that you expected to enjoy a drug trip after someone just cut you open?

[Alex]

I've tried mushrooms. No headache but still no real hallucinations and didn't really enjoy it. They're fine at the time but when I'm done I just feel like I spent the last X hours lying to myself. I've never come away feeling I'd experienced a valid insight.

Other than cocaine, opiates, and marijuana I've tried most of the common recreational drugs at least once (when I say I'll do anything once I'm being pretty honest) and didn't find many of them worth even a second shot let alone repeated use.

I know, I know: L7

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I know, I know: L7

No way! What you're describing isn't L7 at all. You tried it, you didn't like it, and that's fine. Not everyone is cut out for that kind of thing.

You tried it and didn't dismiss it out of hand. You get mojo from me for that, for sure.

[Alex]

Oh, I think most people would consider it the L7that caused me to not like it. Though less L7 than if I hadn't tried it at all.

But it is ok, I'm confident in my L7CMoon orientation. On the Kinsey scale I'm a 9.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

scaeagles - I don't suppose that you expected to enjoy a drug trip after someone just cut you open?

I suppose that's a valid point.

However, I like to have control of my mind. This, of course, does not mean I am always in control of my surroundings (I enjoy skydiving and bungee jumping, and while I have done them far fewer times than I wish I could, there is a certain lack of control in each). The idea of putting something in my body that limits my control (I don't enjoy alcohol for the same reason) or alters me in some way holds no appeal and never has. I would say that I'm not afraid, and while that is true, the thought of putting foreign substances into my body does scare me to a certain extent but....it's more of a lack of interest.

And I stand by my statement that I just don't think they are good for a body, regardless of limited frequency. I realize there is a medicinal value to a glass of red wine, but LSD or cocaine or X or the designer drug du jour....nah.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I realize there is a medicinal value to a glass of red wine, but LSD or cocaine or X or the designer drug du jour....nah.

Hmmm, and how long ago did they determine that a glass of red wine per day was good for you? Was that 2 years ago, while red wine has been around for centuries?

No "foreign substances?" Heheh, everyone thinks caffeine is the biggest physiology-altering drug commonly imbibed. But actually it's sugar. A hugely altering drug with far worse health consequences than caffeine. And consummed in mass quantities every day by near every one.

The only reason it's not a "foreign substance" is because it was "discovered" by western civilization when colonizing the "new world." It was plenty foreign for millennia before that. And it's a drug, plain and simple.


LSD, btw, has amazing and powerful medicinal value. If it were merely a recreational kick, I would not be thanking Albert Hofman with every third breath I take.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

No "foreign substances?" Heheh, everyone thinks caffeine is the biggest physiology-altering drug commonly imbibed. But actually it's sugar.

Well, I will say that I do attempt to limit my intake of sugar, but this is a practical impossibility.

I admit to ignorance on any medicinal purpose served by LSD. However, I doubt that it is a medicine that I need.

Do you have credible medical research evidence of healthful effects of certain drugs? I also have been recently made aware of certain positive effects of marijuana for glaucoma patients, but I would suppose that the huge majority of the commonly used illegal street drugs - such as meth, various opiates, ecstacy, whatever - are far more harmful.

I do admit to ignorance on the subject however, but I would be open to reading research from reasonably qualified sources.