Budget Fun

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

As it has been in politics and will continue to be so for all eternity. A sad reality, but one that I am willing to admit goes throughout the system and is not limited to one party.

I think we all have to admit that.

Who's willing to work to change it? I think that's the greater question.

[Ghoulish Delight]

And we've still failed to meet the primary goal of creating a stable military and police force.

Don't foget the veto power. Mainly intended to give the formerly independent Kurds a voice, any 3 provinces can group together and veto the constitution once drafted. One would hope that the threat of that happening will be a moderating force in the drafting process. However, one also fears that if it comes to a point where that power IS used, possibly by the Sunni, civil war won't be far behind.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Well, here's the thing. Violation of the cease fire was not reason enough for the invasion. The cease fire actually called for several other diplomatic strategies. Force was only as a last resort. So, to push things towards that last resort, Bush began to invent threats.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Force was only as a last resort. So, to push things towards that last resort, Bush began to invent threats.

Matter of interpretation, I suppose. When does one act on a "last resort"? And Bush invented no threats - the intelligence was pretty much the same as when his predecessor was in office and Kerry and Gore and Albright and everyone and their mother was saying Saddam was a threat with WMD. No invention there.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Matter of interpretation, I suppose. When does one act on a "last resort"? And Bush invented no threats - the intelligence was pretty much the same as when his predecessor was in office and Kerry and Gore and Albright and everyone and their mother was saying Saddam was a threat with WMD. No invention there.

I have no doubt that intelligenc did indicate that there were WMD. Hell, Rummy admits to giving Saddam some of them. Clinton managed to restrain himself from invading the country, but then again, it wasn't his daddy's war....Okay, now it's your turn to say that's why 9/11 happened.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I have no doubt that intelligenc did indicate that there were WMD. Hell, Rummy admits to giving Saddam some of them. Clinton managed to restrain himself from invading the country, but then again, it wasn't his daddy's war....Okay, now it's your turn to say that's why 9/11 happened.

Wendy. Wendy, Wendy, Wendy.

Clinton did not invade Iraq. He preferred to do things like bomb aspirin factories in the Sudan and launch missiles to strike Saddam on the day Monica was testifying before the grand jury. OK - I only said such things because you are spouting the old line of "daddy's war". Clinton's lack of action on Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Would you like to say "war for oil" next? Or something like it was to "make his oil buddies richer"? You're better than that, Wendy.

[wendybeth]

Scaeagles, Scaeagles, etc....I only spoke of Clinton because you brought him up. And I'm surprised at you. What the hell kind of conservative are you that you don't blame Clinton for everything bad that has happened these past few decades? I'm sooo disappointed in you...

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And Bush invented no threats - the intelligence was pretty much the same as when his predecessor was in office and Kerry and Gore and Albright and everyone and their mother was saying Saddam was a threat with WMD. No invention there.

Bush was the only one dishonest enough to exaggerate the urgency of the threat. He played on the fear and paranoia of a post 9/11 America to forward an agenda that was in place before September 11, 2001.