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Old 06-24-2008, 09:15 AM   #1
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Well, isn't that interesting. I think I shall be attending Love Honor and Cherish meetings. How disappointing to see that there are still those out there who would gladly deprive people of happiness all in the name of Jesus. It's like it was in Hawai'i in 1998 all over again. Wonderful.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:44 AM   #2
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Well, isn't that interesting. I think I shall be attending Love Honor and Cherish meetings.
I forget which movie I was thinking about this morning, but I recalled how militant you are about poor portrayals of gays in cinema, and against the use of "gay" as pejorative.

I was hoping you'd consider channelling your well-intentioned militancy into some good, old fashioned gay political action now that our hard-won equal marriage rights are within a hair's breath of being repealed by a foolhardly election to change the very Constitution of our state.


Please consider checking out Love, Honor, Cherish. There's a meeting tonight! And a fun Pool Party on Sunday.


Hey, EVERYONE'S INVITED TO THE POOL PARTY. It's gonna be a blast!
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:19 AM   #3
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The church's teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and the formation of families is central to the Creator's plan for His children.
All fine and good. But it sickens me that Mormons (or anyone) would try to change, not merely the law, but the State Constitution based on the Creator's plan for His children. I'd be just as sickened if, as a jew, a prominent rabbi urged me to change the state constitution to prevent blacks from marrying white folk because it was against God's plan for humanity.


Ugh, I'm seething. I have a few Mormon friends, and I dread to discover their stance on this. I can't imagine they would sheep march in lockstep with hateful urgings from the Mormons on High in Salt Lake ... but it would seriously affect our friendships if they did.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:22 AM   #4
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You still need to see the Celluloid Closet, iSm. Good doco.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:28 AM   #5
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Oooh, I'll queue it right now (and, heheh, should have it in about a month, at the rate I'm going thru my 'flix films).
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:48 AM   #6
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Is it better for someone with no religious axe to grind to want to amend the constitution because gay marriage looks weird? Of course, nobody makes marriage sound weirder and more culty than a poobah for the Mormon church.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:00 AM   #7
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Hmmm, I almost want to start a new thread, and not have it be in the Daily Grind ... because it would only be quasi-political at most.


But Chernabog, Gemini Cricket and I are involved with this Love, Honor, Cherish group ... and it's less a political thing than an ongoing fun event thing that we'd love to invite the LoT swankers to.



Yeah, these events are all going to be fundraisers ... but you might as well get used to the fact that the three of us ARE going to (politely) hit you up for money between now and November. And you SHOULD donate generously ... but you don't have to do so multiple times ... and that shouldn't stop you from attending multiples of the fun events put on by L.H.C. - - to have a good time while helping our worthy cause with even just your good-time participation. Does that make sense?


First up ... this coming Sunday ...




7582 Mullholland Drive, LA 90046. Noon to 5pm.

This is gonna be a lot of fun ... and though it's been advertised a bit around town ... well, it would be silly if it's just a party for the folks who meet every Tuesday at Love, Honor, Cherish. Nope, we want all our friends to come ... so Gemini Cricket, Chernabog and I cordially invite you!



There won't be a hard sell to give money (though it's $25 at the door). But you might as well get used to being pitched to on this issue. This is, as you might imagine, a vital concern for the three of us. As for me, I've never been moved before to donate time and energy to a cause. That's shameful of me, I know. The most I ever did to protest the Iraq war was to honk in support as I drove past huge demonstrations of peace-loving Americans.

But this one gets me where I live. Because it's not about where I live, or how I work ... it goes to the very heart of me being gay, because it's about who I love. Quite differnent from housing discrimination or workplace discrimination .... marriage discrimination is an assault on MY love. So I feel it in my heart most strongly.


And now that justice has been done at long last in California, it kills me to think it may get snatched away so quickly.

But the Fundies are against us, and the Mormons are against us, and even Heinz Ketchup is against us!!





So please show your support by Having Fun With Us ... and come to the Pool Party or some of the other events that will be happening. Yeah, we'll have our hand out ... but you needn't grease our palms any more often or more generously than you are moved to.






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Old 06-27-2008, 03:20 PM   #8
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In other words, we ought to be able to do as we please provided our actions don't detract from others' quality of life. If I, like some ill-informed right-wingers, believed same-sex marriage would unavoidably lead to hundreds of gays and lesbians having a Roman orgy on my kitchen floor, I might rethink my stance on the subject.
Probably my favorite quote of the day.

From here.

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Probably my favorite quote of the day.

From here.

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According to my doctrine, the LDS leadership is not human.
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Can't we get a ballot initiative to define religion as a superstitious cult ... just to show them what it's like to have other people stick their nose in their business where it doesn't belong?
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