Yes, we can.

[innerSpaceman]

pwned.

[scaeagles]

I don't think I was pwned at all. If it's life, which I understand you aren't conceding, wouldn't it then follow that it's human life?

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I don't think I was pwned at all. If it's life, which I understand you aren't conceding, wouldn't it then follow that it's human life?

Human life, or humanish as Stephen Colbert might say. I still don't know that that gets you to personhood for due process protections under Roe. But even if it does, so what. As I've said before, Roe is an impediment to the discussion. The fact that an activity may enjoy constitutional protection does not make it a moral one. The fact that it does not enjoy constitutional protection does not make its prohibition moral or rational. Being pro-choice, I see nothing wrong with saying that life--or lifeishness--begins at conception and still adopting a pragmatic Roe-like framework on the issue.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

I still don't know that that gets you to personhood for due process protections under Roe.

Scalia even says he doesn't think the founders intended for the unborn to have the same rights as the born. He opposes Roe for other reasons.

But ISM, of course I know life isn't limited to human life. But since each species by definition gives birth to its own kind, if it is life, it would be human life.

[Snowflake]

I miss Alex and Tengima!

[innerSpaceman]

Well that's anthropomorphism at it's finest.


No, Leo, life is not limited to human life. In fact, I'd say human life comprises an unfathomably tiny percentage of what is life.




Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant. But since it doesn't refute Strangler's point in the least, I felt like being obstinate.

[BarTopDancer]

Graphic Abortion Photos to be displayed on moving trucks in FL.

Story here.

Supposedly the organization is non-partisan, but they are going through a county that has been a battleground for the election.

[JWBear]

Disgusting

[flippyshark]

This graphic approach was very common back in the 80s, and I never saw anyone respond to it in any way except to feel contempt for those who put up the display. It's not an approach that changes people's minds. (
and apparently, these trucks will also feature images of the Holocaust, lynchings, and 9/11. Won't the children be delighted! Won't parents have a fine time getting them to sleep that night.)

I gotta agree with JWB. Disgusting, not to mention stupid. (I imagine even the more thoughtful among "right=to=life" supporters will hate this just as much.)

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by flippyshark

This graphic approach was very common back in the 80s, and I never saw anyone respond to it in any way except to feel contempt for those who put up the display. It's not an approach that changes people's minds. (
and apparently, these trucks will also feature images of the Holocaust, lynchings, and 9/11. Won't the children be delighted! Won't parents have a fine time getting them to sleep that night.)

I gotta agree with JWB. Disgusting, not to mention stupid. (I imagine even the more thoughtful among "right=to=life" supporters will hate this just as much.)

I can't say I'm against the approach, although it's a tricky question as to how much "reality" people should be exposed to that might distract them from the higher principles being served. For example, people protested when the Bush administration would not allow photos of flag draped coffins of soldiers coming home. If abortion photos are not relevant to the discussion, are images of the horrors of war, nuclear weapons, etc. relevant to the decision to engage in such conduct, or should we avoid them because we've already reasoned that the ends justify the means and we don't want the emotional impact of the means to distract us from the ends?

I'm also not sure that such displays can't have an impact on people. There are people who go around inner city schools trying to teach the kids the reality of gun violence, i.e., you think it's cool being shot? Look at these kids in the hospital and how messed up they are. And so on.