Debates of all ilk - Page 25

BarTopDancer · 10-03-2008, 04:32 PM

Completely.

She insults me as a woman, as a hockey fan and as a future hockey mom.

"Can I call you Joe" just shows how informal our culture has become. Teachers are on a first name basis with students. Informal equates to comfortable/everyone is equal. Teachers are not equal to students.

innerSpaceman · 10-03-2008, 04:43 PM

Do you think Biden felt put on the spot by "Can I call you Joe?"

How do you think he'd feel if, when I meet him, I open with "Can I have your son Bow's phone number?"

Alex · 10-03-2008, 05:35 PM

Looking at the transcript, after having asked, she only ever actually said the word "Joe" in reference to Biden once and that was in her lame Reagan call out when she said "Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again..."

I'm sure that was a prepare line. I'm guessing she'd have used it even if he said no.

alphabassettgrrl · 10-03-2008, 05:57 PM

Asking him if it's ok to use his first name like that was a calculated move.
1- prepare for her upcoming tagline
2- he can say yes and let her appear his peer, or no and be a jerk
3- women are so friendly and personable they call everybody by their name; "look at me, I'm friendly"

Whatever. I can kind of understand it and kind of don't care.

bewitched · 10-03-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Looking at the transcript, after having asked, she only ever actually said the word "Joe" in reference to Biden once and that was in her lame Reagan call out when she said "Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again..."

I'm sure that was a prepare line. I'm guessing she'd have used it even if he said no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphabassettgrrl

Asking him if it's ok to use his first name like that was a calculated move.
1- prepare for her upcoming tagline
2- he can say yes and let her appear his peer, or no and be a jerk
3- women are so friendly and personable they call everybody by their name; "look at me, I'm friendly"

Whatever. I can kind of understand it and kind of don't care.

SO if he would have said no, would she still have used the line?

alphabassettgrrl · 10-03-2008, 06:43 PM

Probably. Too good to pass up. Hard to say for sure.

mousepod · 10-03-2008, 06:51 PM

How was "Say it ain't so, Joe" too good to pass up? I know I've been power-reading through LoT lately, but isn't there a discussion in the Movie Musings thread about crappy retreads? Palin's barb was two (count 'em) quotes strung together... nothing new. Sorry, but I don't think she did a good job. I think she regurgitated a few scripted bits as well as a typical high school junior in the school play. I'd love for Brian Williams to ask her: "'Say it ain't so Joe.' Do you know what famous event in American history this line refers to?"

Ruthie · 10-05-2008, 12:11 PM

It is probably my age showing, but I would have had far more respect for Palin (of course, I would have to have some respect to have far more, I suppose) had she treated the older and more experienced Biden with a little respect.

My parents drilled it in my head that older people are referred to by their last name. I don't live strictly by that rule now but on the stage of a VP debate, in front of millions, her "Can I call you Joe?" just seemed out of place and too familiar to me. UGH!

I think alphabassettgrrl nailed the possible reasons for the question. Again, UGH!

Strangler Lewis · 10-07-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruthie

It is probably my age showing, but I would have had far more respect for Palin (of course, I would have to have some respect to have far more, I suppose) had she treated the older and more experienced Biden with a little respect.

My parents drilled it in my head that older people are referred to by their last name. I don't live strictly by that rule now but on the stage of a VP debate, in front of millions, her "Can I call you Joe?" just seemed out of place and too familiar to me. UGH!

I think alphabassettgrrl nailed the possible reasons for the question. Again, UGH!

For the same reason, I also find Obama's use of first names--Hillary, John--during debates to be a slightly off choice.

Of course, Biden blew the best possible answer to her question: "Honey, I'm a married man."

Gemini Cricket · 10-07-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

For the same reason, I also find Obama's use of first names--Hillary, John--during debates to be a slightly off choice.

I don't. All three are Senators, equals. I like it, in fact.

10-03-2008, 04:32 PM	#1
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Do you think Biden felt put on the spot by "Can I call you Joe?" How do you think he'd feel if, when I meet him, I open with "Can I have your son Bow's phone number?"
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10-03-2008, 05:35 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Looking at the transcript, after having asked, she only ever actually said the word "Joe" in reference to Biden once and that was in her lame Reagan call out when she said "Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again..." I'm sure that was a prepare line. I'm guessing she'd have used it even if he said no.
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	Asking him if it's ok to use his first name like that was a calculated move. 1- prepare for her upcoming tagline 2- he can say yes and let her appear his peer, or no and be a jerk 3- women are so friendly and personable they call everybody by their name; "look at me, I'm friendly" Whatever. I can kind of understand it and kind of don't care. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	Probably. Too good to pass up. Hard to say for sure. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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10-03-2008, 06:51 PM	#7
mousepod You broke your Ramadar! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,635	How was "Say it ain't so, Joe" too good to pass up? I know I've been power-reading through LoT lately, but isn't there a discussion in the Movie Musings thread about crappy retreads? Palin's barb was two (count 'em) quotes strung together... nothing new. Sorry, but I don't think she did a good job. I think she regurgitated a few scripted bits as well as a typical high school junior in the school play. I'd love for Brian Williams to ask her: "'Say it ain't so Joe.' Do you know what famous event in American history this line refers to?" __________________ "Give the public everything you can give them, keep the place as clean as you can keep it, keep it friendly" - Walt Disney
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10-05-2008, 12:11 PM	#8
Ruthie Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 59	It is probably my age showing, but I would have had far more respect for Palin (of course, I would have to have some respect to have far more, I suppose) had she treated the older and more experienced Biden with a little respect. My parents drilled it in my head that older people are referred to by their last name. I don't live strictly by that rule now but on the stage of a VP debate, in front of millions, her "Can I call you Joe?" just seemed out of place and too familiar to me. UGH! I think alphabassettgrrl nailed the possible reasons for the question. Again, UGH!
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