The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[€uroMeinke]

Meanwhile here in California as a registered "Decline to State" the Dems were all over me to vote in their primary - seems odd they's value the vote of an avowed anarchist over a registered democrat in Florida - Oh, and I already sent in my ballot even voting before the Florida Primary. Just makes no sense to me.

[scaeagles]

Why am I not surprised that my thoughts are completely opposite to MBCs?

I think the only thing McCain gets it right on is national defense, and honestly beleive Iraq would have been run in a better fashion (and make no mistake - we'd be there regardless of who was President or from which party), because the whole operation would have been a "surge".

This is the only reason that I would vote for him if he were to be the nominee. It would be a "hold the nose" vote, for sure, but I'd have to. Obama, regardless of his integrity, which I beleive is genuine, I fear in terms of policy (both foreign and domestic). Hillary....good lord only knows what she would do.

I'll be curious to see how next Tuesday goes with Guiliani ready to endorse Mccain.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

we'd be there regardless of who was President or from which party

You always say that and I always disagree completely. No other President would have spent their entire administration, literally from day one, looking for an excuse to go into Iraq (documented fact that this is exactly what happened). Sorry, we're in Iraq solely because George Walker Bush and his inner circle wanted us to be in Iraq. Whatever his reasons were (revenge, oil, actually believed they were a threat), they were HIS reasons and other than Dick Cheney, no one else would have lead us along this path. Without the filter of the Bush administration constantly and desperately hunting for any shred of a reason to invade, there was no rational justification.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

You always say that and I always disagree completely.

I base it simply on the literally hundreds of quotes from leading dems about the threat Saddam was. Now they say it was due to being duped by faulty intelligence, and while that may be the case, the sentiment of the country in general was to go. Being that Hillary is a poll hound, she would have certainly gone. I think Gore would have as well. I do believe that i have perhaps overstated by saying anyone - that is certainly not true, as Kucinich certainly wouldn't have gone.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I base it simply on the literally hundreds of quotes from leading dems about the threat Saddam was. Now they say it was due to being duped by faulty intelligence...

Faulty intelligence that was filtered through an administration looking for an excuse. Without Bush in the White House, a VERY different story would have been presented to Congress...if it was presented to Congress at all.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I base it simply on the literally hundreds of quotes from leading dems about the threat Saddam was. Now they say it was due to being duped by faulty intelligence, and while that may be the case, the sentiment of the country in general was to go. Being that Hillary is a poll hound, she would have certainly gone. I think Gore would have as well. I do believe that i have perhaps overstated by saying anyone - that is certainly not true, as Kucinich certainly wouldn't have gone.

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Faulty intelligence that was filtered through an administration looking for an excuse. Without Bush in the White House, a VERY different story would have been presented to Congress...if it was presented to Congress at all.

One need only look to Gore(you know, the guy who "won" in 2000). His quotes could not have possibly been "filtered though an administration looking for an excuse" since most of his pro-war statements were made before Bush was even elected.

[SacTown Chronic]

Yes, the Dems who voted for/advocated invading The Iraq are just as responsible as the Bush administration, citizen war supporters, and two-time Bush voters for what has happened. But to say we would have gone in with anyone as president is an astounding bit of revisionist, conscience-clearing nonesense. John McCain would never have linked 9/11 to The Iraq. Al Gore? Never in a kadgillion fvcking years.



sleepy,

Can you provide those quotes*? We went into The Iraq as a direct result of 9/11 (allegedly). I'd love to read Al Gore's clairvoyant, circa 2000, quotes about The Iraq and 9/11/01.



*Noting vaugue about Saddam pre-9/11, please. Every national politician of the last 25 years has had something to say about Saddam. We never go into The Iraq without the 70% support from the masses....and Bush (or Gore) doesn't get that support without lying about Saddam's role in 9/11. It follows then, that the only way we invade The Iraq is through Bush and his merry band of liars.

[Scrooge McSam]

Thank you John Edwards

I'm sorry I didn't get to vote for you.

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Thank you John Edwards

I'm sorry I didn't get to vote for you.

What he said.

[scaeagles]

I would respond but Sleepy said it very well. The intelligence was around LONG before Bush took office.