The Schiavo issue - Page 30

Claire · 03-31-2005, 10:34 AM

Weird, I woke up this morning, thinking....this has to be it, today's the day. My heart hurts.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-31-2005, 10:54 AM

South Park did an episode sending up this case yesterday. As usual, in the midst their over-the-top crude take, they manage to make some very salient points. In their version, Kenny is "dead" for a day, but is brought back to life and kept alive, in a PVS, using a feeding tube. He has left a living will, but the last page is missing, so all they have is, "If I'm ever in a PVS, please..."

The episode unfolds parallel to the Schiavo case, Cartman wanting him dead so he can inherit his Play Station Portable, Stan and Kyle wanting him kept alive because he deserves to live. At the end of the episode, the lawyer finally finds the rest of his will. His wishes state:

"If I'm ever in a PVS please...for the love of God, whatever you do don't show me in that state on national television."

Name · 03-31-2005, 11:00 AM

Thank God she has finally passed on, now for the endless coverage of the after death litigation for the next several weeks. Guess I will watch endless episodes of the simpsons for the next several weeks.

Cadaverous Pallor · 03-31-2005, 11:11 AM

Thank God her trapped soul is finally at peace. No one is happier than Terry today.

alphabassettgrrl · 03-31-2005, 11:58 AM

Ok, Michael really should have let her parents be there at the end. I think enough damage has been done in this family; that at least would have been a start at healing and reconciliation, hopefully.

It really should not have drawn the attention it did; it should have stayed a private matter. My heart does hurt for both sides, no matter who's a jerk and who isn't. Both sides are probably reacting out of hurt feelings and that's never a good place to come from.

I'm glad it's over. I just hope the litigation over her body gets done with quickly. I don't want to hear about it for months.

Not Afraid · 03-31-2005, 12:28 PM

You know, family BS when people are dying or dead is the worst. It absolutely brings out the worst in people. Who knows all of the details and the reasons, I sure don't, so I'm not going to make any judgements as if I know the "real" story. I don't. I guess the important thing here is that she is a peace. I know all I feel is relief.

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-31-2005, 06:13 PM

According to the attorney for Michael Shievo, the parents hadn't even arrived at the hospice yet when she died, so they weren't kicked out. According to him (for what it is worth), the family that was "kicked out" was her brother and sister. The reason given was that when it was time for the medical assessment, the brother and sister were asked to step out momentarily. At that point, the brother got quite upset and had a physical altercation with a police officer, who removed him. Michael Shievo decided at that point that it would not be possible to have the brother in the room without the possibility of it getting ugly. He also said that had the parents been there at the time, he would have let them in.

Granted, this is only the word of the attorney but he was in the room at the time, along with approximately 10 others (including 4 or 5 hospice workers) who, I would assume, could back up his story. It would seem odd for him to lie with that many witnesses. And, if it is true, it is a far different picture than that painted by the other side.

The parents attorney says that the brother told him it wasn't true, for what it is worth. As an aside, shortly after death when they were showing coverage around the hospice, I did see what looked like a not-so friendly exchange between two police officers and the brother. I thought it was strange at the time.

The fact remains, of course, that none of this is really anyone's business, like GD points out. It is over (well, maybe not legally) and this woman is finally at peace and her wishes were hopefully carried out. Hopefully the healing process can begin for all involved.

MickeyLumbo · 03-31-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

As an aside, shortly after death when they were showing coverage around the hospice, I did see what looked like a not-so friendly exchange between two police officers and the brother. I thought it was strange at the time.
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i noticed that also.

€uroMeinke · 03-31-2005, 08:08 PM

I think Terry Shaivo should be plasticized so she can be displayed in the next Body Wars.

Not Afraid · 03-31-2005, 08:26 PM

Careful. That head of yours will be on that pike sooner than expected.

03-31-2005, 10:34 AM	#1
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	South Park did an episode sending up this case yesterday. As usual, in the midst their over-the-top crude take, they manage to make some very salient points. In their version, Kenny is "dead" for a day, but is brought back to life and kept alive, in a PVS, using a feeding tube. He has left a living will, but the last page is missing, so all they have is, "If I'm ever in a PVS, please..." The episode unfolds parallel to the Schiavo case, Cartman wanting him dead so he can inherit his Play Station Portable, Stan and Kyle wanting him kept alive because he deserves to live. At the end of the episode, the lawyer finally finds the rest of his will. His wishes state: "If I'm ever in a PVS please...for the love of God, whatever you do don't show me in that state on national television." __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ Last edited by Ghoulish Delight : 03-31-2005 at 11:02 AM.
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03-31-2005, 11:58 AM	#5
alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	Ok, Michael really should have let her parents be there at the end. I think enough damage has been done in this family; that at least would have been a start at healing and reconciliation, hopefully. It really should not have drawn the attention it did; it should have stayed a private matter. My heart does hurt for both sides, no matter who's a jerk and who isn't. Both sides are probably reacting out of hurt feelings and that's never a good place to come from. I'm glad it's over. I just hope the litigation over her body gets done with quickly. I don't want to hear about it for months.
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03-31-2005, 12:28 PM	#6
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	You know, family BS when people are dying or dead is the worst. It absolutely brings out the worst in people. Who knows all of the details and the reasons, I sure don't, so I'm not going to make any judgements as if I know the "real" story. I don't. I guess the important thing here is that she is a peace. I know all I feel is relief.
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03-31-2005, 06:13 PM	#7
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	According to the attorney for Michael Shievo, the parents hadn't even arrived at the hospice yet when she died, so they weren't kicked out. According to him (for what it is worth), the family that was "kicked out" was her brother and sister. The reason given was that when it was time for the medical assessment, the brother and sister were asked to step out momentarily. At that point, the brother got quite upset and had a physical altercation with a police officer, who removed him. Michael Shievo decided at that point that it would not be possible to have the brother in the room without the possibility of it getting ugly. He also said that had the parents been there at the time, he would have let them in. Granted, this is only the word of the attorney but he was in the room at the time, along with approximately 10 others (including 4 or 5 hospice workers) who, I would assume, could back up his story. It would seem odd for him to lie with that many witnesses. And, if it is true, it is a far different picture than that painted by the other side. The parents attorney says that the brother told him it wasn't true, for what it is worth. As an aside, shortly after death when they were showing coverage around the hospice, I did see what looked like a not-so friendly exchange between two police officers and the brother. I thought it was strange at the time. The fact remains, of course, that none of this is really anyone's business, like GD points out. It is over (well, maybe not legally) and this woman is finally at peace and her wishes were hopefully carried out. Hopefully the healing process can begin for all involved. Last edited by Motorboat Cruiser : 03-31-2005 at 06:25 PM.
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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Careful. That head of yours will be on that pike sooner than expected.
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