Guy on the Plane

[mistyisjafo]

It's not so odd that you met a Catholic Republican Gay man. I hope he's trying to change the Republican party for the better. His beliefs are definately at conflict with his life style but it sounds like he's got it worked out some how. Just remember, not all Republicans are in favor of the Religious Right-Wing .

As for myself, I'm a Straight Agnostic Republican Female, Semi Traditionalist Feminist, with Liberal Tendencies that Extremest Right-Wing Republicans Hate.

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Yes, our nationality is Californian.

I always say I'm "Native American Californian". Haha

[€uroMeinke]

I embrace cognitive dissonance

[alphabassettgrrl]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

I encountered a Collie rescuer at the Scottish Highland Games last weekend who had her dogs debarked. When I asked how that affected them socially, she said, "They like it because they don't get the crap beat out of them for barking." I was like, uh...

Yeah, that'd be my reaction, too.

I've always found it odd the groups people associate themselves with. All people, but especially people going to groups that hate them.

Then again, the local lesbians aren't thrilled with me and I have been known to still show up.

[innerSpaceman]

It's not a matter of people belonging to groups with which they don't agree. It's a matter of having an interesting conversation with someone about the reasons why, their priorities, how they deal with or rationalize the conflict of interests, etc., etc.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a gay Catholic Republican, but it sure would be fascinating to find out how such a person works it out in his own mind to belong to groups that have a stated desire to erase him from existence.


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And yes, I always identify myself as a Californian when out of state or out of country. The reaction you get to "I'm an American" is blecch, and the reaction you get to "I'm a Californian" is ahhh, wow!

(It's not a pose either; I really think of myself as a Californian rather than an American. Maybe it's the same kind of denial dance I might do if I were a gay Catholic Republican.)

[Gemini Cricket]

So much to say. But I will limit it to this:

Where should you be to cause the greatest change with a close-minded organization? From within that organization or by signing up with an opposing organization?

I ask myself that all the time. Sometimes I regret officially resigning from the Catholic Church. Most times not. But if I were some Catholic leader, my eyebrow would raise if I received a letter saying 'I'm a gay Catholic and I am pro gay marriage.'

Just a thought. Maybe that's his angle.




If not, I would have hit him with my purse.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

There's nothing inherently wrong with a gay Catholic Republican, but it sure would be fascinating to find out how such a person works it out in his own mind to belong to groups that have a stated desire to erase him from existence.

I agree with you there.

[€uroMeinke]

While the idea of a gay catholic republican is the most interesting option, I recall that in my company one of our execs who often acts as a political lobbyist is openly talks about his husband. He'd be just the sort attending such political meetings. Was he a short blond guy by any chance?

[wendybeth]

We recently removed a mayor for innapropriate behavior with underage persons, largely done on the public's dime and time. This same person was rabidly anti-gay when a member of the state senate, and even tried to criminalize sex between minors. It turns out that over the years he's abused his political power to solicit sex with very young men, and now he claims to be gay and a victim of descrimination. The gay community refutes this characterisation- they say (and rightly so) that he is primarily a pedophile and they will not accept him. Turns out he hung out with several notorious pedophiles back in the seventies, and there are many accusations against him from his alleged victims. He is a sadistic bastard, and he has hurt the gay community and countless young people. There have been many like him in the past- Roy Cohn comes to mind- and while I don't pretend to understand their motivation, it does seem that eventually they get their karmic payback.

(I'm not saying that this gentleman was in any way like our ex-mayor, but I do understand the confusion that arises when people belong to groups that are hostile to them. Perhaps, like Cheney's daughter, they hope to change things from inside the party, but it seems rather masochistic to me).

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Perhaps, like Cheney's daughter, they hope to change things from inside the party...

I had to comment on this. Mary Cheney is lame. She wasn't allowed to stand with the rest of the Cheneys during the RNC and she seemed fine with that. Bleh. She has a cozy 100K job working for daddy and the anti-gay Bush Kingdom... Double Bleh.

Originally Posted by wendybeth

but it seems rather masochistic to me

:shrugs:
Meh. Some are 'S' some are 'M'.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

While the idea of a gay catholic republican is the most interesting option, I recall that in my company one of our execs who often acts as a political lobbyist is openly talks about his husband. He'd be just the sort attending such political meetings. Was he a short blond guy by any chance?

Nope, average height, dark hair.

I guess there are more than one of these guys...