Somali Pirates - Page 4

Moonliner · 04-13-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

So glad the captain was rescued.

In one of the articles I read a pirate said that now America would pay the price, they would retaliate against us for killing their men.

Given that I'm not a sailor and never go anywhere near Somalia , I'm quite comfortable in replying to the pirates: Bring it Bitches!

Ghoulish Delight · 04-14-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

In one of the articles I read a pirate said that now America would pay the price, they would retaliate against us for killing their men.

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

Given that I'm not a sailor and never go anywhere near Somalia , I'm quite comfortable in replying to the pirates: Bring it Bitches!

With all of the increased pirate activity, this was the first ship flying an American flag that they went after. Presumably, they were avoiding them because they were wary of going after a ship backed by the government with the most powerful military that has a policy of not negotiating with pirates.

And what happened the first time they decided to take that risk? They were shot and killed, got no ransom money, and harmed no one from the ship.

Something tells me that perhaps that was a bit of an empty threat from the pirates, at least towards actual Americans and American vessels. Though I don't doubt there will be increased attacks on ships from other countries.

Alex · 04-14-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

With all of the increased pirate activity, this was the first ship flying an American flag that they went after.

Possibly, but it may have just been dumb luck.

I was surprised to hear yesterday in an MSNBC interview how few U.S. flagged merchant ships are out there and this table bears it out.

There are only 216 (as of 2007) U.S. flagged merchant ships in the world out of a total fleet of 32,976. And a fourth of those are oil tankers which I suspect (though it is just a guess) are significantly focused on taking oil out of Alaska.

Morrigoon · 04-13-2009, 10:43 AM

All that does is get them officially labeled terrorists

Ghoulish Delight · 04-13-2009, 01:32 PM

So now that the White House can talk about Obama's role in the successful rescue, will Glen Beck et. al be rescinding their assinine blatherings?

scaeagles · 04-13-2009, 01:50 PM

I'll give Obama props for ordering the rescue, just as I gave him props for sending military escorts to ships being harrassed by the Chinese in the South China Sea.

However, I could go the route - just for fun - of saying something like all he has done is create an atmosphere for creating more pirates and by making them angry is only going to make the situation worse. What were a few scattered bands of untrained pirates will now become united in their anti US sentiment. I think we should talk with the pirates and try to understand them and why they are doing this. I bet the ransom they get is going to health care and education.

I don't believe that, by the way.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-13-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

However, I could go the route - just for fun - of saying something like all he has done is create an atmosphere for creating more pirates and by making them angry is only going to make the situation worse. What were a few scattered bands of untrained pirates will now become united in their anti US sentiment. I think we should talk with the pirates and try to understand them and why they are doing this. I bet the ransom they get is going to health care and education.

That would make sense if, in response to Somali pirates attacking US ships, he invaded Kenya and deposed the government there in the name of stopping Somali pirates. And then labeled anyone who came to the aid of Kenya as Somali pirates so he could justify indefinitely imprisoning them.

Alex · 04-13-2009, 02:08 PM

If one of those seals had missed and accidentally killed the hostage (or allowed the pirates to kill the hostage) I wonder if those praising the action would still think it a great thing (and how hard Obama would be working to avoid any decision making responsibility).

But, it seems Obama's first siege face-off has come off better than Clinton's did.

Definitely a fine display of shooting (though next time they'll have to try to up it to scaeagles difficulty level and do it while surfacing from a dive) and I'm glad it came off ok.

On the plus side, if it does eventually require putting the Marines back to their original use we'll probably get another Josh Hartnett movie out of it.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this triggers more violence by the pirates towards their hostages but that does not invalidate the appropriateness of a this action.

scaeagles · 04-13-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Definitely a fine display of shooting (though next time they'll have to try to up it to scaeagles difficulty level and do it while surfacing from a dive) and I'm glad it came off ok.

My way would have been more cool. Admit it.

Cadaverous Pallor · 04-14-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

My way would have been more cool. Admit it.

The real version was insane enough - choppy seas, far off, momentary glimpse of their heads.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	So now that the White House can talk about Obama's role in the successful rescue, will Glen Beck et. al be rescinding their assinine blatherings? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'll give Obama props for ordering the rescue, just as I gave him props for sending military escorts to ships being harrassed by the Chinese in the South China Sea. However, I could go the route - just for fun - of saying something like all he has done is create an atmosphere for creating more pirates and by making them angry is only going to make the situation worse. What were a few scattered bands of untrained pirates will now become united in their anti US sentiment. I think we should talk with the pirates and try to understand them and why they are doing this. I bet the ransom they get is going to health care and education. I don't believe that, by the way.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If one of those seals had missed and accidentally killed the hostage (or allowed the pirates to kill the hostage) I wonder if those praising the action would still think it a great thing (and how hard Obama would be working to avoid any decision making responsibility). But, it seems Obama's first siege face-off has come off better than Clinton's did. Definitely a fine display of shooting (though next time they'll have to try to up it to scaeagles difficulty level and do it while surfacing from a dive) and I'm glad it came off ok. On the plus side, if it does eventually require putting the Marines back to their original use we'll probably get another Josh Hartnett movie out of it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this triggers more violence by the pirates towards their hostages but that does not invalidate the appropriateness of a this action.
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