The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 424

JWBear · 05-29-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

The middle Liddy comment is most certainly inappropriate. He should be criticized.

The first is, of course, pointing out her affiliation with a group that is questionable at best.

What's wrong with that first quote is him referring to the Spanish language as "Illegal Alien". That’s unconscionable.

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The last I agree with 100%. It isn't a representative body.

That’s a matter of opinion, and many would disagree with you.

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Should Sotomayor NOT be criticized for her racist comments? I think they are. They would be considered to be so if a white man said it about a hispanic woman.

Um… What racist comments?

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I also think she should be criticized for her comments about the circuit court "making policy". Courts should not "make policy".

Again, many (including Justice Scalia, BTW) disagree.

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And I'm not a frightened bigot because I don't like her as a choice. I don't like what I've read and hear about her.

I never said that you were a frightened bigot. I was referring to the pundits who are making the nasty ad-hominem attacks against her due to her race and gender.

scaeagles · 05-29-2009, 09:33 PM

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Um… What racist comments?

Specifically that because she is a latina woman with certain experiences she would hope she can come to better decisions than a white male. How about Roberts saying

"I would hope that being a white male and having the richness of certain experiences would lead me to bmake better decisions than a latina female>'

He'd have rightfully been thrown out of consideration.

scaeagles · 05-29-2009, 02:01 PM

The middle Liddy comment is most certainly inappropriate. He should be criticized.

The first is, of course, pointing out her affiliation with a group that is questionable at best.

The last I agree with 100%. It isn't a representative body.

Should Sotomayor NOT be criticized for her racist comments? I think they are. They would be considered to be so if a white man said it about a hispanic woman. I also think she should be criticized for her comments about the circuit court "making policy". Courts should not "make policy".

And I'm not a frightened bigot because I don't like her as a choice. I don't like what I've read and hear about her.

I find it interesting that her "life story" is so huge. I can think of another minority member of the court that has a more compelling life story than hers, yet as a conservative, that wasn't the focus of the coverage.

Strangler Lewis · 05-29-2009, 04:08 PM

I'm not a huge fan of her "Latina" quote. However, if one steps back a bit, it's no different than many similar quotes.

As I will now demonstrate.

The reality is that many laws affect women and Latinos, or other groups that comprise what can be generalized as "the poor and underrepresented." More likely than not, these laws are not enacted by members of the poor and underrepresented.

Though that is changing.

Thus, her comment, boneheaded as it sounds, is really no different than comments made by members of any other group--small business owners, oil drillers, homophobic drill sergeants--who complain about laws being made and enforced against them by legislators and courts who have no practical experience with the subject that they are regulating.

Thank you.

Strangler Lewis · 05-29-2009, 06:53 PM

There is no root issue with her nomination except looking for buzz words to Obama with. That's why Jeff Sessions goes on TV with his lame John McCain giggle and uses the words "feelings" and "empathy."

JWBear · 05-30-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

There is no root issue with her nomination except looking for buzz words to Obama with. That's why Jeff Sessions goes on TV with his lame John McCain giggle and uses the words "feelings" and "empathy."

Very true. I have no doubt that if it was Obama that had nominated Scalia or Alito, the right would still have tried their hardest to paint them as dangerous liberals.

Scrooge McSam · 05-30-2009, 01:58 AM

Leo, please read the 2 paragraphs immediately preceding and the paragraph following that 1 line plucked out of the middle. Better yet, read the whole speech.

If you want to find something comparable, you can't use Roberts. You'd have to use Alito and his assertion that coming from immigrant ancestors makes him a better jurist. But before calling for his immediate resignation, you'd probably want to consider the context there as well.

innerSpaceman · 05-30-2009, 07:48 AM

Context is so 20th Century.

scaeagles · 05-30-2009, 08:10 AM

Fair enough Scrooge.

I have read it, but still tend to think there are some overtones in it that I don't like. I admit that I dislike enough of her rulings (that I've heard about....I'm sure there are others I'd agree with) that it probably taints me.

And politics is certainly an issue that comes into play. I am a political animal and will fully admit that. Howeever, you won't see me call for a filibuster (even it if were sustainable), as I think all nominees deserve an up or down vote. Just as with Bush's nominees.

scaeagles · 05-30-2009, 10:01 AM

And if Bush had nominated Sotomayor the left would do the same.

I grow tired of the whole only-the-right-plays-politics attitude. I at least acknowledge that both sides do.

05-29-2009, 02:01 PM	#3
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	The middle Liddy comment is most certainly inappropriate. He should be criticized. The first is, of course, pointing out her affiliation with a group that is questionable at best. The last I agree with 100%. It isn't a representative body. Should Sotomayor NOT be criticized for her racist comments? I think they are. They would be considered to be so if a white man said it about a hispanic woman. I also think she should be criticized for her comments about the circuit court "making policy". Courts should not "make policy". And I'm not a frightened bigot because I don't like her as a choice. I don't like what I've read and hear about her. I find it interesting that her "life story" is so huge. I can think of another minority member of the court that has a more compelling life story than hers, yet as a conservative, that wasn't the focus of the coverage.
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05-29-2009, 04:08 PM	#4
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I'm not a huge fan of her "Latina" quote. However, if one steps back a bit, it's no different than many similar quotes. As I will now demonstrate. The reality is that many laws affect women and Latinos, or other groups that comprise what can be generalized as "the poor and underrepresented." More likely than not, these laws are not enacted by members of the poor and underrepresented. Though that is changing. Thus, her comment, boneheaded as it sounds, is really no different than comments made by members of any other group--small business owners, oil drillers, homophobic drill sergeants--who complain about laws being made and enforced against them by legislators and courts who have no practical experience with the subject that they are regulating. Thank you. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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05-29-2009, 06:53 PM	#5
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	There is no root issue with her nomination except looking for buzz words to Obama with. That's why Jeff Sessions goes on TV with his lame John McCain giggle and uses the words "feelings" and "empathy." __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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05-30-2009, 01:58 AM	#7
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	Leo, please read the 2 paragraphs immediately preceding and the paragraph following that 1 line plucked out of the middle. Better yet, read the whole speech. If you want to find something comparable, you can't use Roberts. You'd have to use Alito and his assertion that coming from immigrant ancestors makes him a better jurist. But before calling for his immediate resignation, you'd probably want to consider the context there as well.
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05-30-2009, 07:48 AM	#8
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Context is so 20th Century.
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05-30-2009, 08:10 AM	#9
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Fair enough Scrooge. I have read it, but still tend to think there are some overtones in it that I don't like. I admit that I dislike enough of her rulings (that I've heard about....I'm sure there are others I'd agree with) that it probably taints me. And politics is certainly an issue that comes into play. I am a political animal and will fully admit that. Howeever, you won't see me call for a filibuster (even it if were sustainable), as I think all nominees deserve an up or down vote. Just as with Bush's nominees.
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05-30-2009, 10:01 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And if Bush had nominated Sotomayor the left would do the same. I grow tired of the whole only-the-right-plays-politics attitude. I at least acknowledge that both sides do.
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