The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Betty]

Funny. I posted this in the WTF news.

[scaeagles]

I don't trust Obama in the least. I can't tell you in advance what I would object to because I haven't heard it. It depends on what he says. My younger childern wouldn't necessarily get certain nuances that could certainly exist in what he says.

What I object to specifically about what the department of ed sent out is the proposal that students write essays about how they can help Obama. That's creepy. Like I said, I don't object to it if my younger children listen to it, but I want to be there so I can discuss with them any problems that I have with it. Something tells me if after the Iraq invasion Bush addressed school children and about whatever and the department of ed sent this out the left would be absolutely howling. And rightfully so.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I don't trust Obama in the least. I can't tell you in advance what I would object to because I haven't heard it. It depends on what he says. My younger childern wouldn't necessarily get certain nuances that could certainly exist in what he says.

What I object to specifically about what the department of ed sent out is the proposal that students write essays about how they can help Obama. That's creepy. Like I said, I don't object to it if my younger children listen to it, but I want to be there so I can discuss with them any problems that I have with it. Something tells me if after the Iraq invasion Bush addressed school children and about whatever and the department of ed sent this out the left would be absolutely howling. And rightfully so.

Oh. I thought you were actually going to share the literature (or a link to the literature) from the Department of Ed instead of rambling on. But the outrage then lack of proof is par for the course. I believe someone (GD? JW?) is waiting for a breakdown about issues you had with someone. Can't remember who or what now but I've seen them ask for it and you state you're too busy to provide it.

You also didn't answer my question about how you are going to discuss it with them. To make it easy for you:

Would you explain to them why you object or just tell them that Obama is evil and damaging our country beyond repair and they should think that way too.

I'm sure that people would object to Bush speaking and my reaction would be the same as it is now.

Whatever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

[Mousey Girl]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I don't trust Obama in the least. I can't tell you in advance what I would object to because I haven't heard it. It depends on what he says. My younger childern wouldn't necessarily get certain nuances that could certainly exist in what he says.

What I object to specifically about what the department of ed sent out is the proposal that students write essays about how they can help Obama. That's creepy. Like I said, I don't object to it if my younger children listen to it, but I want to be there so I can discuss with them any problems that I have with it. Something tells me if after the Iraq invasion Bush addressed school children and about whatever and the department of ed sent this out the left would be absolutely howling. And rightfully so.

I totally agree with you. Last night, during The Boy's BTS night, I made sure that his school would NOT be showing this speech. If his school had decided to show it, he would not be going to school on Tuesday.

If it was just the speech, I would still object, but he would go to school. When I read about the stuff that is being sent out with the speech, I got upset.

I don't get into the political side of things very often. I do NOT think Obama is a good president. I did not vote for him. He is over stepping his power every chance he gets.

The crap he has pulled with his "Stimulus" package, and how it is affecting my parents and other retirerees is horrid.

I am ready for him to go now.

[scaeagles]

How will I discuss it with them? Again, it depends on what he's saying, so I can't tell you. Should he come right out and say "Tell your parents you want the government to ensure your health for your entire life" might meet with a severe and profanity laced outburst, while "Stay in school" would be something to the effect of "yeah, pretty obvious, and I've told you every day of your life when you procrastinate on your homework how important school is - in fact, we pay extra for it because we think it's so important".

At the top of this page are links to pdfs of the department of education suggested activities pre, during, and post speech. It's just creepy. Anything from describing this as an historic event (a President telling kids to stay in school is historic?) and wanting comparisons to other historic Presidential moments to essays about how they can help Obama to asking how the President will inspire them today. Creepy.

[BarTopDancer]

I just looked over both sets of literature (Prek-6 here and 7-12 here). It looks like a normal Social Studies or Government lesson to me.

Who is the President. Why is he speaking to us. How can we make our country a better place.

Replace Obama with Regan and I suspect you'd be singing praises about how wonderful it is that he's speaking to students and that they are running these lesson plans. Right? Right.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

How will I discuss it with them? Again, it depends on what he's saying, so I can't tell you. Should he come right out and say "Tell your parents you want the government to ensure your health for your entire life" might meet with a severe and profanity laced outburst, while "Stay in school" would be something to the effect of "yeah, pretty obvious, and I've told you every day of your life when you procrastinate on your homework how important school is - in fact, we pay extra for it because we think it's so important".

At the top of this page are links to pdfs of the department of education suggested activities pre, during, and post speech. It's just creepy. Anything from describing this as an historic event (a President telling kids to stay in school is historic?) and wanting comparisons to other historic Presidential moments to essays about how they can help Obama to asking how the President will inspire them today. Creepy.

If you had ever been in the teaching game, then you would know that this is standard practice for any major, or even minor, occasion. Prior to Challenger blasting into oblivion, millions of schoolchildren were involved in the process by using before, during, and after the event suggestions to maximize the educational aspect of the experience. Of course, 'after' in the case of Challenger probably involved counseling, but I digress. Any unique opportunity in the classroom (be it public, private, or homeschool) is approached in the manner suggested the Dept. of Education, etc. Nearly every lesson plan I use at home contains many of these same suggestions as applied to the topic at hand.

[Prudence]

Oh yes. It is clear that the President is trying to indoctrinate innocent school children into believing that education is good for them. It's probably going to be some communist crap about encouraging them to better themselves. If I had kids, I'd want them to get messages about education from the real role models out there. Especially black kids. They don't need to waste their time with some black President. There are plenty of rich sports heroes and entertainers to teach kids about the really important things in life: booze, babes, and bling. I think it's appalling that a politician would abuse his position to brainwash the nation's children into thinking of ways to improve their country and themselves.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Prudence

Oh yes. It is clear that the President is trying to indoctrinate innocent school children into believing that education is good for them. It's probably going to be some communist crap about encouraging them to better themselves. If I had kids, I'd want them to get messages about education from the real role models out there. Especially black kids. They don't need to waste their time with some black President. There are plenty of rich sports heroes and entertainers to teach kids about the really important things in life: booze, babes, and bling. I think it's appalling that a politician would abuse his position to brainwash the nation's children into thinking of ways to improve their country and themselves.

Don't forget about all those "family values" "protect traditional marriage" "won't someone think of the children" toting politicians who have been caught having affairs, some with men.. and some with minors!

[scaeagles]

I already said that if Obama wants to tell school children to stay in school, great. I just don't trust him. And I know that vast majority here wouldn't trust Bush doing it.

I wouldn't be excited for Reagan to address school children, but it goes beyond that. Would any leftists here want an assignment for elementary children to be "How will Bush inspire you today?". I doubt it. And I'm fine with that.

How about he release a transcript of his speech this weekend so parents can read it? Would that be objectionable?