The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Strangler Lewis]

Exactly. Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

[Alex]

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the very first panel. Yes, by the end they were mostly focused on things he'd actually done. But early on, in my opinion, the Bush hatred was very much focused on the slippery slope and nonsensical arguments (oh how many "here's Bush's secret plan to make himself a dictator" discussions there were).

But I suppose that is the nature of early-Administration hatred versus late-Administration hatred. When you're going to hate someone regardless and they haven't done anything you have to make up reasons, only time allows for pinning it to past actions.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Alex

The only thing I strongly disagree with is the very first panel. Yes, by the end they were mostly focused on things he'd actually done. But early on, in my opinion, the Bush hatred was very much focused on the slippery slope and nonsensical arguments (oh how many "here's Bush's secret plan to make himself a dictator" discussions there were).

But I suppose that is the nature of early-Administration hatred versus late-Administration hatred. When you're going to hate someone regardless and they haven't done anything you have to make up reasons, only time allows for pinning it to past actions.

IIRQ, most of the protests didn't happen until after he started the Iraq war.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JWBear

IIRQ, most of the protests didn't happen until after he started the Iraq war.

Then you don't recall correctly. Was there marching in the streets much? No, but that isn't what the first panel says. Was there much baseless hatred and doomsday-ism? Yes? Hell, even with the war much of the early criticism was based not so much on what he was doing but on exaggerated fears of what he really wanted to be doing and would slowly but surely actually do (many of which ended with him canceling elections and seizing lifelong dictatorial control).

[innerSpaceman]

George Bush had plenty of stuff I hated him for before he was president. He was already on my most-loathed list before there was ever consideration of him running. That doesn't speak for everybody, but I think he was already on the radar screens of a large number of progressives as a brutal, barbaric governor.

[JWBear]

Oh, BTW...

VGCM!!

[innerSpaceman]

Did the early concerns have anything to do with him being a despicable governor? Or perhaps concerns were valid from the presidential get-go since he got going via coup d'etat.

[Alex]

Yes, I believe that is generally the rationalization.

"Our reasons for hating your guy are based solidly on fact. Your reasons for hating our guy are loony loony."

I'm not denying there were solid grounds on which to dislike Bush (and Obama now). I'm just saying that the left-wing crazy-people farts don't smell any better than right-wing crazy people farts.

I'm also not denying that the right-wing crazy people farts have gone more mainstream than did the left-wing crazy people farts.

I like saying X-wing crazy people farts. This will probably disrupt future Star Wars viewings.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Alex

Yes, I believe that is generally the rationalization.

"Our reasons for hating your guy are based solidly on fact. Your reasons for hating our guy are loony loony."

I'm not denying there were solid grounds on which to dislike Bush (and Obama now). I'm just saying that the left-wing crazy-people farts don't smell any better than right-wing crazy people farts.

I'm also not denying that the right-wing crazy people farts have gone more mainstream than did the left-wing crazy people farts.

I like saying X-wing crazy people farts. This will probably disrupt future Star Wars viewings.

Sorry Alex, but I don't remember much widespread protesting of Bush at all before the Iraq war. Regardless though, the right wing craziness we see now is much more intense, and has much more support from the establishment and the MSM than the anti-Bush variety ever did. The cartoon is all about the hypocrisy in the way the two sides are treated; and in that respect, it is dead on.

[scaeagles]

I seem to remember a whole lot about Bush stealing an election. So yeah, there was a whole lot of protesting before the Iraq war. That's when the cries of dictatorship started. He didn't care about democracy, apparently.

As far as the MSM....I could go over SO much that hasn't been in the mainstream media about Obama. Some has certain validity (how much about Van Jones have you heard except that he resigned and there was some grand conspiracy to make him do so, or about ACORN videos, knowing Obama's tight ties with ACORN....please understand I DO NOT think Obama would be supportive of the ACORN people knowingly assisting people trying to set up underage prostitution rings), others I'm sure are insane.