The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 550

Morrigoon · 03-26-2010, 12:14 PM

I'm so sick of this crap. From both parties. Let's be honest, both parties are fvcked up and failing to really represent the desires of their members. And none of this is going to change until there's a major paradigm shift wherein either there's a realignment of the existing parties (for example Republicans go more Libertarian and leave the religious right to a new fringe party, and Democrats do something similar), or we have another major shift in the power of parties and newer parties rise to the top. But while the GOP has a viable alternative (Libertarian), I don't think there's a viable Democrat alternative (no, Green party is not viable, it's too fringe to mainstream), and I don't think a major paradigm shift can happen unless it happens to both.

scaeagles · 03-26-2010, 12:37 PM

I would love to see the Libertarian party become a viable alternative, but it honestly is not. The candidates offered by the Libertarians are typically a joke, and the current supporters of the Libertarian party are for the most part WAY out there, with philosophies of the local sherriff being the only persn with authority over them.

LIbertarian philosophy is much closer to me than the Republicans are at present. But they are far from a ready for prime time alternative.

JWBear · 03-26-2010, 12:48 PM

But I wasn't attempting to downplay violence from the left. All I said was that I find the current level of violence from the right more of a concern.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-26-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

But I wasn't attempting to downplay violence from the left. All I said was that I find the current level of violence from the right more of a concern.

So you're not downplaying it, you're just trying to say it's less of an issue. Got it.

JWBear · 03-26-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

So you're not downplaying it, you're just trying to say it's less of an issue. Got it.

At this point and time, yes. All the examples of left wing violence that have been cited here were in the past. The right wing violence we are discussing is happening now; and it is increasing. So, to me at least, it is more of a concern.

innerSpaceman · 03-26-2010, 12:56 PM

JW, maybe you are too close to it to be getting it as clearly as I do, and apparently as GD does (and hopefully others). This is not all about you, but Alex is - I believe - using a sample of your posting and a sample of another's (scaeagles, I think) to point out how such statements are used to combat the other side's arguments - but are simply undercutting their own - due to their hypocritical and rather lame attempts at deflection.

JWBear · 03-26-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

JW, maybe you are too close to it to be getting it as clearly as I do, and apparently as GD does (and hopefully others). This is not all about you, but Alex is - I believe - using a sample of your posting and a sample of another's (scaeagles, I think) to point out how such statements are used to combat the other side's arguments - but are simply undercutting their own - due to their hypocritical and rather lame attempts at deflection.

Yes, I'm obviously a complete dolt because no one gets my point.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-26-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

Yes, I'm obviously a complete dolt because no one gets my point.

Err, you have 3 people trying to explain Alex's point to you, and all of your posts have indicated that you still don't get what Alex is saying.

Yes, we UNDERSTAND that what you meant was "the right wing violence is more worrisome than the left wing violence." Which is exactly what Alex said you meant, and exactly what Alex is saying is a weak position to be arguing.

ETA: and in case it wasn't clear, my previous post was heavy with sarcasm as I'm not exactly seeing the distinction between "downplaying" and "saying it's less of an issue".

JWBear · 03-26-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, we UNDERSTAND that what you meant was "the right wing violence is more worrisome than the left wing violence."

No. What I am saying is that I find the current rise in right wing violence more troubling right now than what the left wing has done in the past. What is past is past. What is going on right now is an issue that needs to be addressed. How much clearer do I need to be?

ETA: Perhaps the problem is that there is an assumption that I am making a left vs right argument. I am not. It's simply that the violent talk and actions that concern me at the present time happen to be coming from the right. If the sides were reversed, I would be just as concerned.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-26-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

No. What I am saying is that I find the current rise in right wing violence more troubling right now than what the left wing has done in the past. What is past is past. What is going on right now is an issue that needs to be addressed. How much clearer do I need to be?

"I never condoned violence conected to anti-war demonstrations, but it never frightened me."

How much clearer indeed.

03-26-2010, 12:14 PM	#1
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I'm so sick of this crap. From both parties. Let's be honest, both parties are fvcked up and failing to really represent the desires of their members. And none of this is going to change until there's a major paradigm shift wherein either there's a realignment of the existing parties (for example Republicans go more Libertarian and leave the religious right to a new fringe party, and Democrats do something similar), or we have another major shift in the power of parties and newer parties rise to the top. But while the GOP has a viable alternative (Libertarian), I don't think there's a viable Democrat alternative (no, Green party is not viable, it's too fringe to mainstream), and I don't think a major paradigm shift can happen unless it happens to both. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I would love to see the Libertarian party become a viable alternative, but it honestly is not. The candidates offered by the Libertarians are typically a joke, and the current supporters of the Libertarian party are for the most part WAY out there, with philosophies of the local sherriff being the only persn with authority over them. LIbertarian philosophy is much closer to me than the Republicans are at present. But they are far from a ready for prime time alternative.
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03-26-2010, 12:48 PM	#3
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	But I wasn't attempting to downplay violence from the left. All I said was that I find the current level of violence from the right more of a concern. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	JW, maybe you are too close to it to be getting it as clearly as I do, and apparently as GD does (and hopefully others). This is not all about you, but Alex is - I believe - using a sample of your posting and a sample of another's (scaeagles, I think) to point out how such statements are used to combat the other side's arguments - but are simply undercutting their own - due to their hypocritical and rather lame attempts at deflection.
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