"Liberal Queer"

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Just wanted to point out that the definition of homophobia is a fear or hatred of homosexuality. You don't have to be afraid of a gay person to be a homophobe.

I'm sorry- but you also can't make the judgement that "hating" the "sin" (as defined by Biblical terms as I am sure Keyes uses) means hating the person.

Leo had a great point- most people here can seperate between his conservative politics, which many of you consider potentially damaging, and Leo himself, whom I know you like and respect- is it so hard for you to see that we on the conservative side see it the same way?

I am as tired of the unfair generalization of conservatives or Christians as being hate mongers, as I am sure you are of being labeled unnatural or perverse.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

I'm sorry- but you also can't make the judgement that "hating" the "sin" (as defined by Biblical terms as I am sure Keyes uses) means hating the person.

Leo had a great point- most people here can seperate between his conservative politics, which many of you consider potentially damaging, and Leo himself, whom I know you like and respect- is it so hard for you to see that we on the conservative side see it the same way?

I am as tired of the unfair generalization of conservatives or Christians as being hate mongers, as I am sure you are of being labeled unnatural or perverse.

Just wanted to say that in hindsite, I regret that the definition I posted only gave the choice of fear or hate. As Sam pointed out, the definition of "phobia" itself includes aversion and dislike. In my experience, there are far more people that possess feelings of aversion and dislike towards homosexuality than actual hatred, which is an awfully strong word.

And for the record, I would never make the generalization that all Christians are hate-mongers. I'm surrounded by examples that prove otherwise.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

And for the record, I would never make the generalization that all Christians are hate-mongers. I'm surrounded by examples that prove otherwise.

I'd like to go on the record and say the same.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Just wanted to point out that the definition of homophobia is a fear or hatred of homosexuality. You don't have to be afraid of a gay person to be a homophobe.

I learned something very interesting based on this post.

I went to dictionary.com. I looked up the following -

acrophobia - irrational fear of heights
arachnophobia - irrational fear of spiders
hydrophobia - irration fear of water
(a whole bunch of others, including clown phobia, blah, blah, blah)
homophobia - fear or contempt for lesbians or gay men

Now, I did not find one phobia, with the exception of homophobia, that was defined with "contempt for". In fact, the definition of homophobia stands out because it is different. The definition of this word has evolved for what I believe are political purposes - allowing the word to be used for anyone who does not like homosexual behavior. It allows a wider use of the word to label people. No other phobia I found says anything but fear, because of the word origins.

Edited to add - Had a thought. Looked up xenophobia. It also uses the word contempt.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I learned something very interesting based on this post..

On that same site, check out the def for "phobia"

1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

and judge when they claim to think that judging others is wrong

Judge me based on your morals and beliefs and I'll just shrug. Try to legislate my behavior based on your morals and beliefs and you'll have a fight on your hands. Understand the difference?

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Judge me based on your morals and beliefs and I'll just shrug. Try to legislate my behavior based on your morals and beliefs and you'll have a fight on your hands.

I was thinking this would be great for a sig line...

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Judge me based on your morals and beliefs and I'll just shrug. Try to legislate my behavior based on your morals and beliefs and you'll have a fight on your hands. Understand the difference?

I don't think legislating morals was even part of this discussion-

I understand perfectly- as long as you understand that I am equally sick of people trying to force acceptance on me and mine in the name of their brand of tolerance.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

No other phobia I found says anything but fear, because of the word origins.

Isn't homophobia a word made up by popular culture, unlike the other phobias, which are scientific terms?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Isn't homophobia a word made up by popular culture, unlike the other phobias, which are scientific terms?

Could be.....