Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[tracilicious]

Hmm...I don't think that CP and ISM are trying to make personal judgements. I think they are saying that DL should try to please the most people possible. And yes, more people want to see thin bodies than fat ones.

I don't agree, as DL is not a movie or a play, it is a theme park. I am not 12 or 13, so I don't go to ogle cast members. I want someone who is friendly above all else and knows how to do their job well. Highest common denominator be damned. If a cast member were dirty, or smelled bad or something, then I would take issue. If I want hotness, I can find it in my own home.

As far as my real life friends finding me attractive or not? I guess I don't care whether they want to jump in bed with me or not. I certainly don't find everyone I care about attractive. I don't want them to find me repulsive either, but what's the big deal if someone on this board or in real life doesn't find fat attractive? I'm sure there are plenty of physical features of many posters on this board that wouldn't make me drool with lust. I'm willing to accept that they feel the same way about me.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Just to clarify, my previous comments were not meant to speak for any specific person, merely society as a whole.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by zapppop

My problem is that a character in a theme park is being altered
because a few people are jealous they can't portray that character.

Talk about selfish.

I'm sorry, if ever a post were deserving of the following smilie it's this one.

Oh yes, I am oh so sure that a few of the chubby girls were jealous and that's why they changed the costume. Never mind joining the 21st century, and trying to make CM's less of sex objects, or more likely the need for more versatile costumes that more CM's can wear to ease up staffing conflicts.

A character? It's the guest relations people. Don't they stand behind a desk most of the time anyways? Does someone really need to be hot to accept a complaint/compliment form? Who cares?!

[Isaac]

[Prudence]

So, to recap:

Disneyland should only employ "hotties" because they're an entertainment business and society doesn't want to look at ugly people.

Fat people are, by definition, ugly. The corollary is that skinny people are presumed attractive, except under certain circumstances particular to the individual.

This definition is accepted and unquestioned because it has been granted by the great entity known as "society," and one should never question or try to change society. Rather, one should throw up one's hands and say "it's what society wants." (Note that this usually means "it's what I want," but most people lack sufficient spinal fortitude to admit this and would rather say it's society doing the judging.)

As for me personally -- I'm not into pity "friendships." If I'm not good enough to serve you food or give you directions or process your complaint form or whatever, then why on earth would you want to interact with me socially?

[Ponine]

Originally Posted by Prudence

So, overweight people aren't attractive. You know, actually I feel better knowing how you stand on this issue. It makes my life simpler.

Pru, this comment and the post before this , I think are not true.

I know you have no reason to beleive me, or listen to me, being as you dont know me, but I know that CP or Zappop, or really no one that I have met off these boards feels that way about us, or at the very least ME becuase of my size.

I know I cant truly speak for everyone, and I dont know why I am trying, but please, give us a chance, its a conversation, with people making points about how middle america, or others percieve the show, such that it is.

We're not about pity friendships.

Originally Posted by Prudence

Disneyland should only employ "hotties" because they're an entertainment business and society doesn't want to look at ugly people.

Fat people are, by definition, ugly. The corollary is that skinny people are presumed attractive, except under certain circumstances particular to the individual..

No, and NO . Everything is relative and in the eye of the beholder.
We are friends having a conversation about something that is a icon in society.

Society might change, and maybe I am throwing up my hands to say that its what society wants, but I cannot change society, only accept it for what it is.

We were conversing aobut the end of an era of costumes.
I'm sorry.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

I don't agree, as DL is not a movie or a play, it is a theme park. I am not 12 or 13, so I don't go to ogle cast members. I want someone who is friendly above all else and knows how to do their job well.

I agree completely. But ya know what? When I go to a restaurant, I'm looking for a good meal and not hotties to ogle. Low and behold, though, there they are! Meal after meal, restaurant after restaurant - the nicest restaurants have the hawtest waiters and waitresses.

Do they get a better tip? No, I base that purely on quality of service. But am I glad for the eye candy that I didn't look for in the first place? Yes, it makes my experience a tiny bit more enjoyable. The same can be said of Disneyland. And since it's the best of the theme parks, I might reasonably expect the cutest CMs. I put far more stock in the friendliest CMs, the most helpful CMs. But it's only going to make the situation better if that friendly, helpful CM is attractive.

[innerSpaceman]

And please, give me a break about the pity friendships business. I have many friends whom I love dearly, but would not hire for certain on-stage roles.

If you don't consider Disneyland to be an entertainment situation where every so-called cast member is called that for a reason, then we are comparing apples to oranges.

[BarTopDancer]

Everyone PLEASE take a deep breath and calm down. Feelings are getting hurt and trampled on, snarkiness is starting to reign in this thread.

The fact of the matter is simple: Some classic costumes are being done away with for a more generic costume instead of making another unique costume that is flattering to more people. I think the outrage going on is that a generic costume that will work on a wider range of people is replacing a classic costume instead of another area specific costume that would work on a wider range of people.

As much as we don't want to, we must come to terms with reality: Disneyland is 1) not the park of 1955 anymore 2) having massive personnal issues and cannot be picky in who they cast for what roles, 3) attempting to resolve issues in the cheapest way possible.

It is so hard to tell tone over the internet, we all know that. But some of these posts... are shocking. If I didn't already know the people these posts were coming from I'd be stunned into silence at the meanness and judgementalness coming from them. Actually, I am. Wow. I never thought that I'd be reading what I have been from the people who have been writing it. I thought we were better than this.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by ISM

I agree completely. But ya know what? When I go to a restaurant, I'm looking for a good meal and not hotties to ogle. Low and behold, though, there they are! Meal after meal, restaurant after restaurant - the nicest restaurants have the hawtest waiters and waitresses.

Do they get a better tip? No, I base that purely on quality of service. But am I glad for the eye candy that I didn't look for in the first place? Yes, it makes my experience a tiny bit more enjoyable. The same can be said of Disneyland. And since it's the best of the theme parks, I might reasonably expect the cutest CMs. I put far more stock in the friendliest CMs, the most helpful CMs. But it's only going to make the situation better if that friendly, helpful CM is attractive.

Ok. I accept and understand your viewpoint. I don't think that DL should alter it's hiring practices to fit it, but you are welcome to have any viewpoint you wish.