Democratic National Convention '08 - Page 7

Strangler Lewis · 08-27-2008, 01:12 PM

Taking stuff back would only have drawn attention to it. The only credible way she could have taken her criticisms back would have been to say, "Yeah, I said it. I said it because I believe I would have been a damned good president. I wanted to get elected, and this is the kind of sh*t you say in presidential campaigns. John McCain understands that, which is why he has publicly gone back on every "maverick" stance he has ever taken, hoping that half of you believe what he says now and half of you believe what he used to say."

That's a mouthful. I thought she did great.

scaeagles · 08-27-2008, 01:33 PM

McCain also was a bit of a carpet bagger, moving to AZ specifically to run for an open seat in the US House. Hillary is also guilty of that, I suppose.

I do think that one thing going for McCain related to the whole POW experience was his character during the experience. It is widely publicized (and widely verified) that he was offered release but refused as there were others who had been in the Hanoi Hilton longer.

That does speak strongly of character - as much so as his affair did in the opposite direction - but at least it did involve character.

Alex · 08-27-2008, 02:19 PM

What is not so often mentioned is that almost all POWs were at some point offered and rejected release unless everybody was released and without terms. So while it does speak to his character that he refused release on terms that would have required him to speak out against the United States, it isn't necessarily a sign of a uniquely special character.

And I'm all for maligning the political sense of the New Yorkers, it isn't like they've done anything to suggest they're immune to the idiocy common to other consistuencies.

Stan4dSteph · 08-27-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

And I'm all for maligning the political sense of the New Yorkers, it isn't like they've done anything to suggest they're immune to the idiocy common to other consistuencies.

Hey!

innerSpaceman · 08-27-2008, 02:27 PM

Yes, it would be like most presidents in our history. Dithering old white men.

Alex · 08-27-2008, 02:37 PM

Yeah, but it is a good commercial for McCain, "I know a lot of you think I'm old, but I'd remind you that that this nonogenarian is only three heartbeats from the presidency. I've seen him naked in the Senate showers, trust me that man is ooooollllldddddd."

Alex · 08-27-2008, 03:20 PM

Nothing, it just means that her name is up for consideration and that delegates will be voting for her. Worst case all the state delegations cast their votes as determined in the primaries and the superdelegates cast whatever vote they want and Obama wins.

Or, a symbolic show will be made of voting for her and at some point she'll withdraw her name and ask that Obama be nominated by acclamation.

Snowflake · 08-27-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Or, a symbolic show will be made of voting for her and at some point she'll withdraw her name and ask that Obama be nominated by acclamation.

I think this was the plan.

katiesue · 08-27-2008, 03:57 PM

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Or, a symbolic show will be made of voting for her and at some point she'll withdraw her name and ask that Obama be nominated by acclamation.

and Alex wins!

Alex · 08-27-2008, 04:14 PM

Well, I did use the old mentalist trick of already knowing what was going to happen before it happened. The plan was announced last night.

I was just being complete in my answer to GC.

08-27-2008, 01:12 PM	#1
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Taking stuff back would only have drawn attention to it. The only credible way she could have taken her criticisms back would have been to say, "Yeah, I said it. I said it because I believe I would have been a damned good president. I wanted to get elected, and this is the kind of sh*t you say in presidential campaigns. John McCain understands that, which is why he has publicly gone back on every "maverick" stance he has ever taken, hoping that half of you believe what he says now and half of you believe what he used to say." That's a mouthful. I thought she did great. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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08-27-2008, 01:33 PM	#2
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	McCain also was a bit of a carpet bagger, moving to AZ specifically to run for an open seat in the US House. Hillary is also guilty of that, I suppose. I do think that one thing going for McCain related to the whole POW experience was his character during the experience. It is widely publicized (and widely verified) that he was offered release but refused as there were others who had been in the Hanoi Hilton longer. That does speak strongly of character - as much so as his affair did in the opposite direction - but at least it did involve character.
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08-27-2008, 02:19 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	What is not so often mentioned is that almost all POWs were at some point offered and rejected release unless everybody was released and without terms. So while it does speak to his character that he refused release on terms that would have required him to speak out against the United States, it isn't necessarily a sign of a uniquely special character. And I'm all for maligning the political sense of the New Yorkers, it isn't like they've done anything to suggest they're immune to the idiocy common to other consistuencies.
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08-27-2008, 02:27 PM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yes, it would be like most presidents in our history. Dithering old white men.
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08-27-2008, 02:37 PM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, but it is a good commercial for McCain, "I know a lot of you think I'm old, but I'd remind you that that this nonogenarian is only three heartbeats from the presidency. I've seen him naked in the Senate showers, trust me that man is ooooollllldddddd."
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08-27-2008, 03:20 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Nothing, it just means that her name is up for consideration and that delegates will be voting for her. Worst case all the state delegations cast their votes as determined in the primaries and the superdelegates cast whatever vote they want and Obama wins. Or, a symbolic show will be made of voting for her and at some point she'll withdraw her name and ask that Obama be nominated by acclamation.
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08-27-2008, 04:14 PM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Well, I did use the old mentalist trick of already knowing what was going to happen before it happened. The plan was announced last night. I was just being complete in my answer to GC.
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