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Old 10-02-2005, 12:15 PM   #1
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Yeah, there are a lot of "overreactive" things mentioned in the link I cited. There are many others out there but, personally, I don't have the time today to read about something that will never effect me. I chose an article that collected information from various studies in an atempt to get at least an overview.

And, believe it or not, I've never "had" an uncircumcised penis.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:35 PM   #2
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All I can say is that it's a good thing we had a girl, because Eric and I would have gone a few rounds over this one. He is anti- circumsion, even though he had one, and I am pro, so long as some some of anesthetic is used.
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Old 10-02-2005, 01:15 PM   #3
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I don't see the problem with circumcision, either for or against....

I certainly don't hold any ill will towards the decision made by my parents on the subject.

There are many arguments that say un-circumcised has a lot of maintenance to prevent crud buildup in the area, but that shouldn't be a problem to those that have good hygiene practises.

I am not going to divulge the current state of my foreskin, as it really holds no bearing on the discussion.

I really doubt that leaving a child uncut, or removing the extra fold of skin, will hold any long lasting effects on the child for any amount of time. The child will probably grow up thinking that his member is exactly as it should be, unless undue stress is placed on the situation.

No stress has ever been placed on the status of my member as I grew up, so I figured that my member was always just as it should have been, and as I said earlier, hold no ill will towards my parents on the decision made in my case....now on other things....

And as far as the argument about the sexual satisfaction, doubt that has anything to do with the status of the foreskin.....probably more to do with their skillz with their member.
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Old 10-02-2005, 02:47 PM   #4
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I tried reading the site you linked to NA, but I found most of it to be reactionary and misinformed.

The studies they mention have very small test groups. A "survey of 35" or a voluntary survey which only 139 women actually responded to (from here which was referenced on the page NA linked to) is not compelling.

I also tried to read the "Jewish Circumcision" section of this site and thought it was interesting how all religious people pick and choose which part of the old text they want to follow. I do the same thing, as there is plenty in the Torah that I don't believe in, but to claim in the same breath that "Circumcision is not universal among Jews" and "A male born of a Jewish mother is a Jew, whether he is circumcised or not" is kind of silly. Obviously, the concept of being a "Jew" is up for debate, and stating "facts" like these is odd.

There are plenty of sites out there pro and con, and plenty of studies, pro and con. For instance, here's one that says that circumcision may reduce HIV risk by 70% (not conclusive, other studies underway). There are plenty of studies cited by various "academies" or "family" or "parent" groups for both sides. Some say it actually prevent penile cancer, some say it prevents cervical cancer in women, some say that it really doesn't do either, and from what I've read today it becomes obvious that this has more to do with hygeine. In the end it seems to me that all of it is a wash (get it, wash?) and that it helps/hinders both ways enough that the scientific side doesn't come into play.

I do not believe that it causes more harm than not getting it done, if it's done correctly.

And I further contend, IMHO, that any man who feels like he's missing something because he was circumcised at 8 days probably has the same self-esteem issues as a small breasted woman who gets silicone shoved under her skin. Grass is always greener.
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Old 10-02-2005, 03:36 PM   #5
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A think an important distinction is being missed. A traditional Jewish circumcision performed by a mohel at a bris is NOT the same procedure as a medical cicrumcision performed at a hospital.

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Unlike the traditional Jewish method, when circumcision is performed by a urologist or other surgeon (as opposed to a mohel) the foreskin is removed by constriction, either with the use of clamps or a synthetic ring. This method works by crushing the skin until it is severed. The nerve endings and the blood vessels are severed in the same manner, causing pain and homeostasis.
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Let us not forget that some cultures circumsize the girls!
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Let us not forget that some cultures circumsize the girls!
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Correct. And, I think my feelings about that follow in the same lines as male circumcision. Why. Or, why are you still doing it?
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:13 PM   #8
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I thought this thread was about cats? It seems to have gone from *****'s to Cocks...lol
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I thought this thread was about cats? It seems to have gone from *****'s to Cocks...lol
Well, you know....there's only so much you can say about cats.


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