The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 140

wendybeth · 10-09-2006, 02:23 PM

Yup- he was House Speaker for a number of years. Worst thing he did was some stupid post office scandal that involved his wife. Actually, he is a family friend- my mom worked for him and Scoop Jackson in the Sixties and Seventies.

Prudence · 10-09-2006, 06:12 PM

Really, WB? We must talk more...

sleepyjeff · 10-09-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Yup- he was House Speaker for a number of years. Worst thing he did was some stupid post office scandal that involved his wife.

Foley was the last Democratic Speaker of the House; it would be quite ironic if another Foley contributed to the return of a Democrat as Speaker

CoasterMatt · 10-09-2006, 10:42 PM

NSFW, so I'll put it in spoiler tags

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innerSpaceman · 10-10-2006, 08:51 AM

Now that time has allowed for more comprehensive reporting on the Foley scandal, let me reiterate that the Republicans own this one and the Democrats had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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The House response was political from the start. Last November, Jeff Trandahl, then clerk of the House, told John Shimkus, the Republican head of the board that oversees the page program, about the less incriminating e-mails. But nobody bothered to inform the board's lone Democrat. Shimkus and Trandahl appear to have done nothing more than give Foley a private warning. When Alexander expanded the circle of those aware of the e-mails the following spring, one of the two people he chose to loop in was Reynolds, head of the National Republican Congressional Committee, whose job is managing the election. Foley wasn't even stripped of his co-chairmanship of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

And about the canard of shifting blame to the Dems ...

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G.O.P. leaders are so desperate to find someone else to blame that they have been reduced--with no indication that they see the irony--to blaming a vast left-wing conspiracy. "The people who want to see this thing blow up," Hastert told the Chicago Tribune, "are ABC News and a lot of Democratic operatives, people funded by George Soros," the liberal financier who has become a bogeyman of the right. Hastert went on to say, without producing any proof, that the revelation was the work of Bill Clinton's operatives. But that line of argument, of course, suggests that Republicans would have preferred to keep Foley's secrets locked away, presumably at the pages' peril. And the Democrats for once are showing the good sense to stay out of the way when the other side is self-destructing. Sighed one of the younger House Republican aides who sits in on key meetings: "Foul play on the Democrats' side? If that is the only card left to play, then we are in serious trouble."

Can the Republicans among us please just man-up and stop casting blame where none lies?

Nephythys · 10-10-2006, 09:01 AM

Remove the plank from your own eye before complaining about the splinter in your brothers eye.

If the dems had ever been a party who owned up to things- I might be willing to take this castigation seriously. But come on- they are as inclined to blame anyone but themselves for their failings and scandals.

"It's a right wing conspiracy"

"it was a stolen election" (the dem answer when they lose)

etc etc.....

Might not be dirty tricks- but I don't believe for a MOMENT that ranking dems did not know. It's ridiculous to think that they were clueless-

Strangler Lewis · 10-10-2006, 09:09 AM

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"it was a stolen election" (the dem answer when they lose)

But . . . but . . . but it was a stolen election. They both were. Of course, if Ohio had somehow been given to Kerry, it would have been worse than 2000 in terms of the popular vote winner losing the electoral college.

And the Democrats probably stole 1960.

Election day is coming up. Vote early and often.

Motorboat Cruiser · 10-10-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

Might not be dirty tricks- but I don't believe for a MOMENT that ranking dems did not know. It's ridiculous to think that they were clueless-

I'm surprised that you would find it ridiculous to think that the dems were clueless. Isn't that a standard talking point?

Alex · 10-10-2006, 10:05 AM

The great thing about the political game is that both sides label the other as hypocrites. Then use that hypocrisy in the other side as excuse for their own hypocrisy. And then when power flips between parties on many issues both sides simultaneously flip positions while calling the other side hypocrites for doing so.

It's the way the game is played. It, to a large extent, is the way the game has always been played. I suspect that in five thousand years, assuming republican democtratic (small r, small d, not the parties) politics still exists it will be much the same.

I have no idea who was behind it, but the blog that sparked this whole thing was obviously an attempt to get this story broken. Whether that was an angry page, a disgruntled Republican, or a Georg Soros lackey, I have no idea.

Nor is it important. Don't do stupid ****, and you won't get in trouble for it.

wendybeth · 10-10-2006, 10:05 AM

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I'm surprised that you would find it ridiculous to think that the dems were clueless. Isn't that a standard talking point?

You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Motorboat Cruiser again.

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10-10-2006, 09:01 AM	#1396
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Remove the plank from your own eye before complaining about the splinter in your brothers eye. If the dems had ever been a party who owned up to things- I might be willing to take this castigation seriously. But come on- they are as inclined to blame anyone but themselves for their failings and scandals. "It's a right wing conspiracy" "it was a stolen election" (the dem answer when they lose) etc etc..... Might not be dirty tricks- but I don't believe for a MOMENT that ranking dems did not know. It's ridiculous to think that they were clueless-
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10-10-2006, 10:05 AM	#1399
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	The great thing about the political game is that both sides label the other as hypocrites. Then use that hypocrisy in the other side as excuse for their own hypocrisy. And then when power flips between parties on many issues both sides simultaneously flip positions while calling the other side hypocrites for doing so. It's the way the game is played. It, to a large extent, is the way the game has always been played. I suspect that in five thousand years, assuming republican democtratic (small r, small d, not the parties) politics still exists it will be much the same. I have no idea who was behind it, but the blog that sparked this whole thing was obviously an attempt to get this story broken. Whether that was an angry page, a disgruntled Republican, or a Georg Soros lackey, I have no idea. Nor is it important. Don't do stupid ****, and you won't get in trouble for it.
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