Bad day for war proponents

[Tramspotter]

Originally Posted by Prudence

Must be nice to live in a world where everything is someone else's problem with which the rest of us need not concern ourselves.

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Stem cell research must be a hard sell on it's own if an appeal to emotion is why it should be supported.

[Prudence]

Eh, not worth wrestling with the pig. I just had a shower.

[Tramspotter]

Originally Posted by Prudence

Eh, not worth wrestling with the pig. I just had a shower.

You know you are just proving my point to any who would care to see why MJF stumping for a politician using his illness implied claim being that there will be a cure if only congressmen so and so wouldent stand in the way of stem cell research it's dirty pool and further has no place in pure science. Especialy for genetic engineering where the highest ethics are required if they can't be summoned even while procuring funding and public aproval to be whored out to the masses and sold this and other cheap ways why shoulden't I fear the product?

How can anyone be against sunshine, kittens, stem cell research, icecream and lollypops or even against MJF and not feel touched by his affliction.

My being rough with him somehow brings down a world of knee-jerk pain yet other public figures that folks disagree with get a double helping of poision discorse.

[Tramspotter]

Didn't take long at all Sensitivity training will soon be be required for any pig/cow/sheep fvcker refrences as the pig/cow/sheep people might get offended. So what if we find a cure donate now and fund the freekshow!!!

[Not Afraid]

Why am I reminded of a drunk guy stand on a street corner evangalizing?

[Tramspotter]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Why am I reminded of a drunk guy stand on a street corner evangalizing?

I don't know I thought it very germain that the very kind of experimentation that loose medical ethics and poor forsight that science can bring are past thier infant stages and the race for the ultimate cure is being played more like a grudge match rugby game with crooked refs where everyone in the stands wants to see some carnage no one cares who wins but which team and player can show the most fragrant foul thus increasing thier noteriety and funding for next year.

Being dismissive of blind faith when it comes to religion and morality yet giving the same to burnt out body mechanics and career biochemists many of whom coulden't hack the riggors of medschool but put in a ****pile of time and wanted to come away with some degree and a decent standard of living... Do you honestly believe nothing stupid or untorid can be done in the name of science?

Or is science somehow the epitome of enlightenmentm, pure discovery beautiful in all its forms? Is Greek Reason paired with raw Science an aceptable religion within moral relavitism?

Are you so hard core that there isn't even the posibility of too far? This obviously isnt even close for you. And on the face of it it isn't but it is a milestone in that even amoung the scientific comunity human and animal geneomes were not meddled with together on a genetic level.

So let me get this strait altering human genetics with animals for gene therapy on tissue alone would be ok but creating a conception level cure for various ailments is not? (The latter could be broadly applied to this given case)

Or how about
creating pigs/cows/sheep with alterd genes so their organs can be accepted by humans? Is that ok; but making genetic level alterations using a given percentage of animal and human DNA and doing the same is that not ok?

I would assume cloning a human for research and not going past the third trimester is ok but growing a population of docile very controlable hybrid man beasts not ok? What if they are already doing it in Oslo? Our economy would colapse under the strain of a new more powerful IKEA that would benifit from such a workforce.

There are a host more realistic concerns that have plagued biomedical ethicists conserning making unusual out of the box advancements and the intermidiate and long term costs of both failures and sucesses. Do you honestly think they tout the failures when whoring for more money and fame? Often the problem in science is not in actuality funding or even the technology but should it even be done in the first place.

Anyway
So how does being a gung ho supporter of pure science and apparently not considering any of the concerns brought up make one any better than the much villified knuckle dragging, bible thumpers who oppose various research purely on moral grounds?

It seems you still miss my point if your are willing to lable me a drunken heriticical blasphemer of science in order to dodge it. But I could be wrong.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Tramspotter

It seems you still miss my point if your are willing to lable me a drunken heriticical blasphemer of science in order to dodge it. But I could be wrong.

There is a point within all of that babble? Forgive my stupidity, but I am not comprehending a point, therefore, I'm not terribly eager to engage in debate on the topic.

Fine by me. Babble on.

[wendybeth]

Anything can be taken to extremes, and the general field of Science has long wrestled with moral/ethical questions in it's study and application. It is not infallible. The same goes for religion- if we take it to it's earliest, most extreme points, we would all be eligible for death by stoning. (Not the Jeff Spicolli type of stoning, either). Would you say that birth control is wrong, Tram? Lots of religions think so. How about interracial relationships? I could go on and on, but you get my drift. There is a place for balance, the Golden Mean, or whatever else you want to call it. There have been so many medical advances that have taken place with ethically questionable research, yet I doubt anyone is going to give up their insulin or chemotherapy or whatever other potentially lifesaving procedure or medication might help them. I never respected Nancy Reagan more than when she came out in support of research that would spare others the same fate as President Reagan. Ironically enough, the latest research shows that stoning Spicolli-style seems to arrest the progress of Alzheimers, something that GW and his ilk would not approve of.

[Tramspotter]

And before one of you schoolmarm briggands corrects me, yes yes Oslo is Norwigian. I ment Stokholm... I just got new dishes at Ikea and had my perfuntory meatball dinner there and should have not missed that one.

[Scrooge McSam]

Tram,

One point first...

Originally Posted by Tramspotter

Do you honestly believe nothing stupid or untorid can be done in the name of science?

No, I don't.

You raise a lot of valid concerns. Where I leave you is when you try to suggest that no one is concerned with regulation. I don't think that's accurate.