"Liberal Queer"

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Awww Keyes is just a cutesy wutesy cuddly bear is what he is. He can call me a selfish hedonist any ole time he wants to.

*Scrooge gives Scaeagles a big ole kiss on the cheek. He hates that, ya know... the whole hate the sin, love the sinner thing... but he loves me so it's alright*

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So I would offer that his relationship with his daughter shows exactly the opposite of what many may suspect of Keyes. He is no homophobe and does not hate homosexuals - he thinks homosexual acts are sinful.

Yeah, I'm sure many of his best friends are gays.

[Gemini Cricket]

I say, good luck Maya. Good luck. Join the party. The more the merrier.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I can't imagine ever telling my child: "Who you are attracted to, through no fault of your own, makes you morally repugnant. We love you but don't want you to ever experience the feeling of being with someone who you care deeply about. Oh, and we are actively doing everything we can to limit your rights constitutionally to ensure that if you do get into a relationship like that, you will never be able to have the same legal protections that your mother and I do."

I've got nothing more to add to this thread but to repeat this awesome quote.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I've got nothing more to add to this thread ...

I lied.

There are so many things wrong with Keyes's stance on his daughter. He's using his religious beliefs to judge his own daughter. These same type of beliefs were used by politicians against equality for people of color back in the 60s. How can he use the same logic to make judgements against his own blood? Skin color and sexual orientation are not a choice, religious beliefs are. He needs to rethink his 'logic'.

GD - I understand his logic, but it's half-assed logic. He's trying to say he loves his daughter but hates what she is. That makes no sense.

Keyes and other politicans like him, and religious leaders as a matter of fact, need to stop playing God.

And again, why are people like Keyes and Cheney in political leadership roles when they support legislation against their own children? If they can do that to their own children, they would do it to anyone.

And might I remind people that Obama blew Keyes away in their race. There's a reason that happened. One's an idiot, the other isn't. ('Jesus wouldn't vote for Obama.' ~ Keyes quote. )

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I lied.

GC lied. Nobody died.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okay, to be fair, there's an angle here I can understand.

Let's say you're a parent. Your child is a thief. Not just been caught shoplifting once beause a friend dared them, but a truly habitual thief. A compulsive robber. Such a thing exists, habitual criminals that are addicted to it just as someone can be addicted to gambling. There are laws against it, you consider it a deplorable act, but they can't help themselves. It's just part of their psyche, who they are. Do you still love them? Do you still not respect their actions?

Now, I in know way compare theft and homosexuality. However, this is where these parents are coming from. They DO believe homosexuality is wrong, just as you would believe theft is wrong. But just because your child does something wrong doesn't mean you don't love them, nor does it mean you don't still think the act is wrong. So while I disagree with the conclusion that the act is wrong, can you at least understand how the seemingly contradictary statements of, "I don't support your actions, and think they should be illegal, but I still love you," isn't as outlandish as it seems?

[Not Afraid]

No, the issue here is the parents wrongly confusing their believe that theivery is wrong with something that is purely natural and good as wrong.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Again, I don't disagree that their conclusion that homosexuality is incorrect. But, the attitude of, "I dislike what you do, but still love you," is neither unheard of, nor misguided.