"Liberal Queer" - Page 3

scaeagles · 02-16-2005, 06:26 AM

Well said, GD.

Scrooge McSam · 02-16-2005, 07:59 AM

K then

The bible says eating shellfish is an abomination. Let's say a set of parents truly believes this and forbids their kids to eat same.

Let's also say these parents feel so strongly about this that they're trying to pass laws to prevent everyone from eating shellfish.

This has ceased to be a parent or set of parents trying to guide their children to a better life. It has now become a set of know it all busybodies trying to decide how everyone else lives their life.

Misguided

scaeagles · 02-16-2005, 08:07 AM

My point in defending Keyes is not to get into morality issues regarding homosexuality. This was about the relationship between Keyes and his daughter, right? My point is that their relationship is not so uncommon - a loving parent child relationship where the parents disapprove of actions taken by their child.

It is not about Keyes' activism. The story was about his relationship with his lesbian daughter.

Scrooge McSam · 02-16-2005, 08:17 AM

The only reason this is a topic on these boards is Keye's activism.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-16-2005, 10:09 AM

I can't really agree with you. I hate alcoholism, but love many alcoholics. It's who they are, it's as natural to them to be alcoholics as it is for you to be gay, but that doesn't mean I like that alcoholism exists, or that I don't want to help them deal with their alcoholism. There's no difference, on that side of things. If you feel the trait is destructive to them, you can still love them while disliking the trait. I might theoretically support legislation to force alcoholics into some sort of treatment (not really because that's a terrible way to address it, but it's a hypothetical analogy). I support laws that punish habitual violent criminals. These are all things that punish people for who they are.

Of course, where the divide occurs is the definition of destructive. Clearly I disagree with Keyes that homosexuality is destructive, that it shouldn't be legislated against or dispised. That I'm not arguing. That's a completely separate debate. Talk about that all you want, but I can't fathom questioning his love for his own daughter.

Gemini Cricket · 02-16-2005, 10:27 AM

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I can't really agree with you. I hate alcoholism, but love many alcoholics.

You aren't born an alcoholic.
A man doesn't become gay because you OD on sleeping with too many men.

I'm lost on your comparison...

Ghoulish Delight · 02-16-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

You aren't born an alcoholic.
A man doesn't become gay because you OD on sleeping with too many men.

I'm lost on your comparison...

Actually, most studies show that you ARE born an alcoholic, that alcoholism runs in the family, and they have isolated some genes that seem to contribute to it.

Gemini Cricket · 02-16-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Actually, most studies show that you ARE born an alcoholic, that alcoholism runs in the family, and they have isolated some genes that seem to contribute to it.

I'm not an alcoholic. I know a few. But my father is, my mother is, my grandfathers were... I'm not well versed on alcoholism, but with my background, should I or my sisters be? We're not...

I wanted to reiterate that I know you're not saying being gay is destructive. I get that.

But being a rainbow flag waving sista, I do raise an eyebrow when I hear gay, alcoholic, mental illness, pedophile and AIDS used in the same sentence.

Ghoulish Delight · 02-16-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I'm not an alcoholic. I know a few. But my father is, my mother is, my grandfathers were... I'm not well versed on alcoholism, but with my background, should I or my sisters be? We're not...

Are your parents gay?

Chernabog · 02-16-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

But being a rainbow flag waving sista, I do raise an eyebrow when I hear gay, alcoholic, mental illness, pedophile and AIDS used in the same sentence.

Seriously. There's a reason why being gay/bi doesn't often get compared by these so-called Christians to "having blue eyes".

And "love the sinner hate the sin" with regard to being gay is homophobic. Though I need to get into that whole debate later since I am late for work, d'oh

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Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	K then The bible says eating shellfish is an abomination. Let's say a set of parents truly believes this and forbids their kids to eat same. Let's also say these parents feel so strongly about this that they're trying to pass laws to prevent everyone from eating shellfish. This has ceased to be a parent or set of parents trying to guide their children to a better life. It has now become a set of know it all busybodies trying to decide how everyone else lives their life. Misguided
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	My point in defending Keyes is not to get into morality issues regarding homosexuality. This was about the relationship between Keyes and his daughter, right? My point is that their relationship is not so uncommon - a loving parent child relationship where the parents disapprove of actions taken by their child. It is not about Keyes' activism. The story was about his relationship with his lesbian daughter.
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Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	The only reason this is a topic on these boards is Keye's activism. Last edited by Scrooge McSam : 02-16-2005 at 08:30 AM.
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02-16-2005, 10:09 AM	#5
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I can't really agree with you. I hate alcoholism, but love many alcoholics. It's who they are, it's as natural to them to be alcoholics as it is for you to be gay, but that doesn't mean I like that alcoholism exists, or that I don't want to help them deal with their alcoholism. There's no difference, on that side of things. If you feel the trait is destructive to them, you can still love them while disliking the trait. I might theoretically support legislation to force alcoholics into some sort of treatment (not really because that's a terrible way to address it, but it's a hypothetical analogy). I support laws that punish habitual violent criminals. These are all things that punish people for who they are. Of course, where the divide occurs is the definition of destructive. Clearly I disagree with Keyes that homosexuality is destructive, that it shouldn't be legislated against or dispised. That I'm not arguing. That's a completely separate debate. Talk about that all you want, but I can't fathom questioning his love for his own daughter. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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