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€uroMeinke · 03-28-2007, 07:48 PM

If I read your tea leaves correctly you seem to imply that science needs some limits - yet you otherwise seem to be rather libertarian in other thought. Is that correct? If so, how do you reconcile the two?

It seems to me that science and progress move forward despite our efforts to contain it - all hail the neuton bomb etc.

Tramspotter · 03-28-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

If I read your tea leaves correctly you seem to imply that science needs some limits - yet you otherwise seem to be rather libertarian in other thought. Is that correct? If so, how do you reconcile the two?

It seems to me that science and progress move forward despite our efforts to contain it - all hail the neuton bomb etc.

Limiting unaccountable public funding seems reasonable to me apparently not others... who went completely simian excrement regarding that stance.

Transparency/accountability for absolute recklessness in the private sector.
(but by who's yardstick is the rub) careless enough to release a plague or show off your abomination as a work of beautiful craftsmanship you risk being hunted down by the pich-fork wielding villagers.

Yes good example, thank the FSM that nuclear weapons are no longer a threat. And that nuclear power now safely supplies all our electrical needs.

Cadaverous Pallor · 03-28-2007, 08:53 PM

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Yes good example, thank the FSM that nuclear weapons are no longer a threat. And that nuclear power now safely supplies all our electrical needs.

Ok, wait, stop! Right there! WTF does that mean? Ok, at least I understand that the first sentence is a joke, in light of the recent world issues regarding who has nukes and who's trying to get them. But what about the next sentence? Are you trying to say that we should not have pursued nuclear capabilities at all? Are you saying that nuclear power is not a safe choice for power? Do you really discount all the good that nuclear studies have done? All the knowledge we've gained? You'd really say "we should not have learned that, it was dangerous knowledge?"

Really?

Tramspotter · 03-28-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Ok, wait, stop! Right there! WTF does that mean? Ok, at least I understand that the first sentence is a joke, in light of the recent world issues regarding who has nukes and who's trying to get them. But what about the next sentence? Are you trying to say that we should not have pursued nuclear capabilities at all? Are you saying that nuclear power is not a safe choice for power? Do you really discount all the good that nuclear studies have done? All the knowledge we've gained? You'd really say "we should not have learned that, it was dangerous knowledge?"

Really?

Not at all.

Why don't we have coast to coast nuclear now that the tech is damn near meltdown proof and far more efficient?

Let me help out by being as clear as possible while still trying to maintain my individual style:

I think it might have something to do with an extreme and nonsensical regulatory burden authored by competing energy interests and some militant, vegan, petrouli soaked, yet still foul smelling, professional protesters, loitering about a heavily bumper-stickered and slogan painted VW van that I saw on the Venice boardwalk the other day.

Cadaverous Pallor · 03-28-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tramspotter

Not at all.

Why don't we have coast to coast nuclear now that the tech is damn near meltdown proof and far more efficient?

Let me help out by being as clear as possible while still trying to maintain my individual style:

I think it might have something to do with an extreme and nonsensical regulatory burden authored by competing energy interests and some militant, vegan, petrouli soaked, yet still foul smelling, professional protesters, loitering about a heavily bumper-stickered and slogan painted VW van that I saw on the Venice boardwalk the other day.

So you're complaining about the regulatory burdens put on nuclear power but you want to put regulatory burdens on biotechnology?

I'm so confused.

BarTopDancer · 03-28-2007, 08:26 PM

Kevy Baby · 03-28-2007, 09:42 PM

This is like watching a train wreck

blueerica · 03-29-2007, 12:53 AM

TS - I think you're failing to see that there is actually a fairly balanced mix of those in this thread who are for and against it. For many here, the concept that a goat is part human is alarming, at least on some level. Some see it for a medical benefit, others see it for some strange sort of sci-fi moment for the here and now - something to be perhaps worried about.

I think the big issue, at least from how I see it, is that looks like you came in here looking for a fight - when there wasn't as much of one to be had. If you read many of the posts, it's not like so many people are against you - they're sort of against the way you've approached this very important debate on man, technology and belief. You came in with guns, and seem surprised that people are turned off by it. This is a serious issue, worthy of a serious tone, not the tone with which you've diminished this argument with - you're starting a flame war. Have anyone from the outside read your first post - read it out loud for yourself - and perhaps you'll see what I'm seeing.

Frankly, while I'm not in disagreement with you, your choice of jargon turns me off. Speak plainly - by the way you're going at it now you're just losing support from those who might otherwise support your views.

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-29-2007, 01:24 AM

Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with your position on nuclear energy. I just have some problems, like others, with the presentation of those positions. Give people a chance to express their opinions and you might learn what those opinions are. It seems more productive than to just try to get a rise out of everyone.

innerSpaceman · 03-29-2007, 08:25 AM

Well, I hate to defend him, but Tram's style is entertaining, from a certain point of view. And I think he legitimately decided this particular aspect of an otherwise serious subject was suitable for skewering with some comic flare.

He's not the straightest talker ... but for every unintelligible non-puncutated rant, there's a great dinosaur tampon joke.

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blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	TS - I think you're failing to see that there is actually a fairly balanced mix of those in this thread who are for and against it. For many here, the concept that a goat is part human is alarming, at least on some level. Some see it for a medical benefit, others see it for some strange sort of sci-fi moment for the here and now - something to be perhaps worried about. I think the big issue, at least from how I see it, is that looks like you came in here looking for a fight - when there wasn't as much of one to be had. If you read many of the posts, it's not like so many people are against you - they're sort of against the way you've approached this very important debate on man, technology and belief. You came in with guns, and seem surprised that people are turned off by it. This is a serious issue, worthy of a serious tone, not the tone with which you've diminished this argument with - you're starting a flame war. Have anyone from the outside read your first post - read it out loud for yourself - and perhaps you'll see what I'm seeing. Frankly, while I'm not in disagreement with you, your choice of jargon turns me off. Speak plainly - by the way you're going at it now you're just losing support from those who might otherwise support your views. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with your position on nuclear energy. I just have some problems, like others, with the presentation of those positions. Give people a chance to express their opinions and you might learn what those opinions are. It seems more productive than to just try to get a rise out of everyone.
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03-29-2007, 08:25 AM	#10
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, I hate to defend him, but Tram's style is entertaining, from a certain point of view. And I think he legitimately decided this particular aspect of an otherwise serious subject was suitable for skewering with some comic flare. He's not the straightest talker ... but for every unintelligible non-puncutated rant, there's a great dinosaur tampon joke.
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