Amnesty and my membership in the Republican party

[Capt Jack]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Perhaps this is not the place ... ok, maybe it is.

A question for the Cap'n Jacks and scaeagles of the world:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Oh, and what would you have the requirements be, then?

Directed not solely to Alex, but to all other who have expressed this rather puzzling (to me) opinion.

you ask good questions. what do you suggest or envision? Certainly not a wide open border or open citizenship to anyone who sets foot. I'll be the first to say theres no easy solution or any solution that pleases everyone, but I take exception to periodically granting amnesty to everyone lucky enough to be here on payday.

what is it you find so puzzling?

[Ghoulish Delight]

Just because I feel like being snide and melodramatic....

The people of Soviet Russia had the choice whether to stand in line for bread or not.

[Tramspotter]

I share many of the same broad stroke problems you have with bush. But I think your forgetting the best thing of all about bush. He is hardline in the exact areas that completely piss off your classic progressive liberal... even if he doses little to nothing policy wise it's not caring about their pet issue that seems to drive them particularly nuts and be the real travesty to them.

Any moonbats please feel free to add to why else you hate him so so very much (oh you know what on second thought don't I can just go back and read any forum on any topic and cant help but run into more vivid reasons)

Damn you Bush-hitler for being so indifferent to our chi late focused rage, <high-pitched squeaky voice> Damn you</high-pitched squeaky voice> <<shakes fist in air>>

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

AMERICA - - FVCK YEAH!!

I really need to see that movie. Because if I don't soon, CP is going to come after me.

[blueerica]

TS - are you a supporter of Bush simply because he pisses off the "classic progressive liberal" ?

You do know you can be Republican, you can hate the Democrats, all without supporting Bush... (I can't stand the card-carrying mentality, on any side of an issue.)

As for me, I've been a Democrat. I've been a Republican. Right now, I'm neither and I think it keeps me from being further disillusioned from the whole process. I don't get to be disgruntled with "my party" when I don't have one.

[Tramspotter]

Originally Posted by blueerica

TS - are you a supporter of Bush simply because he pisses off the "classic progressive liberal" ?


No, it's a fringe benefit.

You do know you can be Republican, you can hate the Democrats, all without supporting Bush... (I can't stand the card-carrying mentality, on any side of an issue.)

Hmmm, is being judged as having this card-carrying mentality caused by not sufficiently bowing or compromising your positions or is it simply not getting fully on board with the Bush=Hitler bandwagon. Or the Reagan commandment to not speak ill of another Republican... How might one disavow the possibility of this "Mentality" ? You know what I cant stand? Actual sanctimony and condensation that is most prevalent when wearing the cloak of being above the fray Which I am not.

As for me, I've been a Democrat. I've been a Republican. Right now, I'm neither and I think it keeps me from being further disillusioned from the whole process. I don't get to be disgruntled with "my party" when I don't have one.


That way you get to be disgruntled with everyone else it would allow one to be not only to be un-engaged, but disillusioned with the entire process (A pox on both their houses). Which is not at all undeserved or unreasonable. Yet it seems to me the only danger becomes from this vantage is to develop an insufferable political superiority complex. But I am sure you guard against that by being as measured as you are in most of your discourse and non-discourse for that matter you always strive for balance and non-confrentation. I myself couldn't to the same degree you do nor would want to, and crap I'm a Libra

Make sense?

[blueerica]

Originally Posted by Tramspotter

Make sense?

Part B, yes.

As for Part A, I asked it because of a previous comment of yours:

I share many of the same broad stroke problems you have with bush. But I think your forgetting the best thing of all about bush. He is hardline in the exact areas that completely piss off your classic progressive liberal... even if he doses little to nothing policy wise it's not caring about their pet issue that seems to drive them particularly nuts and be the real travesty to them.

It reads something like "I support Bush, despite not liking a lot of things about him, only because he pisses of So-And-So."

Thus, is your support of Bush (which has little, IMO, with being a Republican, as I know more than a few Republicans that aren't happy with Bush) simply because he pisses off the "classic progressive liberal" ?

[Tramspotter]

Originally Posted by blueerica

It reads something like "I support Bush, despite not liking a lot of things about him, only because he pisses of So-And-So."

Thus, is your support of Bush (which has little, IMO, with being a Republican, as I know more than a few Republicans that aren't happy with Bush) simply because he pisses off the "classic progressive liberal" ?

You subjectively added ONLY and SIMPLY.

[scaeagles]

I would have the requirements be that you are A) born to American citizen or B) adopted by an American citizen or C) have come to the country through the front door and gone through the (admittedly lengthy) process of becoming a citizen.

As far as when freedom would "end"....tough to put an exact line in the sand.

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. Keep the government out of my home, from looking into my home or listening to what is happening in my home (without the appropriate court approved warrants).

In public, they can take my picture, record my voice, video tape me, watch me to their hearts content. I'm in public.

As long as my Constitutional rights are not being violated, I'm cool. I fail to see how stopping illegal immigration or even having a national ID card (assuming I don't have to present it at the whim of a government official) violates those.

[Strangler Lewis]

I assume you don't want to be randomly stopped and frisked for weapons in the public square.

As for the government not looking into your home, if they're on the street, they can look into your home and listen to what's happening in there. In the war on drugs, fly-overs and various forms of infrared, heat seeking and satellite surveillance have been approved. The reasonable expectation of privacy diminishes as the technology advances and one is able to say that what once was private is actually open to public reception.