The death penalty - Page 5

Ghoulish Delight · 03-03-2005, 09:23 AM

It's been shown time and again that the families of murder victims do not feel the closure from the death penalty that they expect. So, it fails as a deterent because of the necessity of a long process. It fails as a method of retribution as people are not satisfied by it. And it carries a very real risk of wrongly killing an innocent person. Those three bullet points are more than enough for me to call it completely useless and irresponsible.

Ghoulish Delight · 03-03-2005, 09:58 AM

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ure/index.html

Excellent article at salon.com regarding victims' families. Unfortunately, you'll have to click on the "one day pass" thing and sit through a short commercial (and then probably click the link again), but it's a good read.

Gemini Cricket · 03-03-2005, 10:07 AM

Ugh on this whole thread. No offense to anyone but this thread's a drag.
It's an important subject to discuss, but we've been there and back again with the same cast of Middle Earth dwellers.
I'm movin' on to other LoT attractions.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 10:12 AM

meh- I can't disagree with that.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 10:22 AM

so you would rather support killers for life than take them out of the system by using the death penalty?

Ghoulish Delight · 03-03-2005, 10:35 AM

Yes. And I'm not even going into the discussion about which costs more. Finances have nothing to do with my stance.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 10:39 AM

from where I stand the stance I see is some sort of worry about the vague possibility of getting the wrong guy- what about when it is certainly not the wrong guy?

*sigh*

Ghoulish Delight · 03-03-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

from where I stand the stance I see is some sort of worry about the vague possibility of getting the wrong guy- what about when it is certainly not the wrong guy?

*sigh*

Read my post. 1) Ineffective deterrent 2) Ineffective form of retribution 3) far more than vague possiblity of wrongful death (see MBC's stats). Pointless and imprecise.

Nephythys · 03-03-2005, 10:53 AM

I did read your post- I asked a different question, however I withdraw it. Pointless to proceed with it at this point.

It would not be ineffective deterrent if used quickly upon completion of the full course of the law.

Look- I am not all gung ho throwing parties when someone is executed. It's an unpleasant business- but I think if you start removing it completely you have a problem.

Claire · 03-03-2005, 10:56 AM

I have a headache after reading all that. I'd kill for some Advil right now.

03-03-2005, 09:23 AM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	It's been shown time and again that the families of murder victims do not feel the closure from the death penalty that they expect. So, it fails as a deterent because of the necessity of a long process. It fails as a method of retribution as people are not satisfied by it. And it carries a very real risk of wrongly killing an innocent person. Those three bullet points are more than enough for me to call it completely useless and irresponsible. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-03-2005, 09:58 AM	#2
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ure/index.html Excellent article at salon.com regarding victims' families. Unfortunately, you'll have to click on the "one day pass" thing and sit through a short commercial (and then probably click the link again), but it's a good read. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-03-2005, 10:07 AM	#3
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Ugh on this whole thread. No offense to anyone but this thread's a drag. It's an important subject to discuss, but we've been there and back again with the same cast of Middle Earth dwellers. I'm movin' on to other LoT attractions.
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03-03-2005, 10:12 AM	#4
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	meh- I can't disagree with that.
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03-03-2005, 10:22 AM	#5
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	so you would rather support killers for life than take them out of the system by using the death penalty?
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03-03-2005, 10:35 AM	#6
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Yes. And I'm not even going into the discussion about which costs more. Finances have nothing to do with my stance. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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03-03-2005, 10:39 AM	#7
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	from where I stand the stance I see is some sort of worry about the vague possibility of getting the wrong guy- what about when it is certainly not the wrong guy? sigh
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03-03-2005, 10:53 AM	#9
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	I did read your post- I asked a different question, however I withdraw it. Pointless to proceed with it at this point. It would not be ineffective deterrent if used quickly upon completion of the full course of the law. Look- I am not all gung ho throwing parties when someone is executed. It's an unpleasant business- but I think if you start removing it completely you have a problem.
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03-03-2005, 10:56 AM	#10
Claire Shagilicious Disneyland!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fulfilling my destiny..... Posts: 740	I have a headache after reading all that. I'd kill for some Advil right now. __________________ Miles: It tastes like the back of a fing L.A. school bus. Now they probably didn't de-stem, hoping for some semblance of concentration, crushed it up with leaves and mice, and then wound up with this rancid tar and turpentine bull**. Fin' Raid. Jack: Tastes pretty good to me.
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