Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (SPOILERS) - Page 5

flippyshark · 07-15-2007, 11:09 AM

It occurs to me that this is an obnoxious derail. So, let me add to my previous post:

Yes, I also thought the Room of Requirement was perfect, just like I had pictured when I read the book.

innerSpaceman · 07-15-2007, 05:03 PM

Question: In the movie version of Goblet of Fire, didn't they drop the whole notion of Cho being Cedric's girlfriend? I mean, her and Harry were flirting as a running joke, and um, were she and Cedric like ever together? Did they attend the Yule Ball together??

Because in the Order of the Phoenix movie, there's a scene where Cho is clearly implicated to have had a special relationship with dearly departed Cedric. Did I miss something in Goblet of Fire, or is this a continuity error??

Oh, and I still think Ronald Weasley has developed into quite the hotty, and I'm sure I'm going to hell for it.

wendybeth · 07-15-2007, 06:20 PM

iSm, Cho had to turn Harry down in the GOF because she was already going with Cedric. (Rmember the scene in the Owlery?)

Well, saw it again today, and liked it even better. Did anyone catch how only Luna and Harry could hear the voices and see the veil? Hermione said it was just an empty archway. It seems obvious that it's some sort of confluence point between death and life, but perhaps it's something else?

innerSpaceman · 07-16-2007, 12:37 PM

Yeah, that did not have the emotional wallop it should have. I don't know why. They set up Harry and Black's relationship just fine, I thought. The audience seems to like Sirius Black. The muted-sound Harry screaming reaction was trite, but somewhat tried and and true. I just don't get why it wasn't more of an ooomph.

Perhaps if they'd portrayed the gateway more as it was in the book, and had Sirius slip through it without being killed first ... I guess there would have been the same uncertainty in the movie as in the books about his death, but I believe there would have been more of an emotional reaction to his mysterious disappearance than there was to his actual murder.

Stan4dSteph · 07-16-2007, 01:00 PM

Count me in the ranks who haven't read the books but generally enjoy the films.

I agree with the questions about the arch. It didn't seem to be explained as to what it was. I have no idea of its significance.

I really liked the actress' portrayal of Luna.

katiesue · 07-16-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan4dSteph

I agree with the questions about the arch. It didn't seem to be explained as to what it was. I have no idea of its significance.

It's not really explained in the book either, but you get the feeling it will be.

Chernabog · 07-16-2007, 01:56 PM

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It's not really explained in the book either, but you get the feeling it will be.

What, you mean like Harry is gonna jump in there and retrieve Sirius? I guess that is a possibility.

flippyshark · 07-16-2007, 02:14 PM

In the book, that arch is literally "the veil" as in "beyond the veil." One co-worker remarked to me, after reading the bok, that he thought it rather silly that Sirius was killed by a metaphor. (In the book , Bellatrix did not use the Avada Kedavra spell. She just zapped him through the arch, hence pushing him beyond the veil. Gosh, it does sound kind of silly as I type it here.)

Anyhow, I recall the book going to some length to indicate that once you are beyond the veil, there is no coming back. Whether the upcoming last volume will concoct an exemption will soon be known.

Chernabog · 07-16-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by flippyshark

In the book, that arch is literally "the veil" as in "beyond the veil." One co-worker remarked to me, after reading the bok, that he thought it rather silly that Sirius was killed by a metaphor. (In the book , Bellatrix did not use the Avada Kedavra spell. She just zapped him through the arch, hence pushing him beyond the veil. Gosh, it does sound kind of silly as I type it here.)

It is silly. Order of the Phoenix was a terrible, frustrating, mindless, bloated, unnecessary book. I was looking on Wikipedia at an article that details the differences between the book and the movie, and it brought back memories of how maddeningly stupid OotP the book was. I'm glad they chopped most of it to make it a semi-watchable movie, but they were unfortunately stuck with the general plot.

That still doesn't excuse the sloppy filmmaking 101 stuff that they failed to do, like remember how to coherently connect scenes together (or explain the POINT of the prophecy!!! It would be like Indiana Jones racing against the Nazis for the Ark of the Covenant without ever explaining what it was or why they wanted it.) Honestly, I think this is the least enjoyable or well made of all the HP films, and certainly the worst of the books.

innerSpaceman · 07-16-2007, 03:39 PM

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That still doesn't excuse the sloppy filmmaking 101 stuff that they failed to do, like remember how to coherently connect scenes together

Having seen it twice now, I fail to see where scenes were not coherently connected. Your example of getting quickly to the good stuff in the Department of Mystery turns out to have had a perfectly acceptable montage of each point along the way.

Do you have any other examples?

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...explain the POINT of the prophecy!!! It would be like Indiana Jones racing against the Nazis for the Ark of the Covenant without ever explaining what it was or why they wanted it.

Well, maybe - - Lord of the Rings style - they decided to save something from this story to spice up the complete boredom of the next. (Really, if you hated Order of the Phoenix, I'd like to know what you thought of Half Blood Prince.)

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Honestly, I think this is the least enjoyable or well made of all the HP films, and certainly the worst of the books.

Wow, your entitled-to opinion really stuns me. I've talked with dozens of people about this movie, and it's at or near the top ranks with the great majority. Your opinion is completely valid ... but, to paraphrase you ... were we even watching the same movie????

All that said, did you at least think Ron Weasely was surprisingly hot??

07-15-2007, 11:09 AM	#1
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	It occurs to me that this is an obnoxious derail. So, let me add to my previous post: Yes, I also thought the Room of Requirement was perfect, just like I had pictured when I read the book.
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07-15-2007, 05:03 PM	#2
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Question: In the movie version of Goblet of Fire, didn't they drop the whole notion of Cho being Cedric's girlfriend? I mean, her and Harry were flirting as a running joke, and um, were she and Cedric like ever together? Did they attend the Yule Ball together?? Because in the Order of the Phoenix movie, there's a scene where Cho is clearly implicated to have had a special relationship with dearly departed Cedric. Did I miss something in Goblet of Fire, or is this a continuity error?? Oh, and I still think Ronald Weasley has developed into quite the hotty, and I'm sure I'm going to hell for it.
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07-15-2007, 06:20 PM	#3
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	iSm, Cho had to turn Harry down in the GOF because she was already going with Cedric. (Rmember the scene in the Owlery?) Well, saw it again today, and liked it even better. Did anyone catch how only Luna and Harry could hear the voices and see the veil? Hermione said it was just an empty archway. It seems obvious that it's some sort of confluence point between death and life, but perhaps it's something else? __________________
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07-16-2007, 12:37 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, that did not have the emotional wallop it should have. I don't know why. They set up Harry and Black's relationship just fine, I thought. The audience seems to like Sirius Black. The muted-sound Harry screaming reaction was trite, but somewhat tried and and true. I just don't get why it wasn't more of an ooomph. Perhaps if they'd portrayed the gateway more as it was in the book, and had Sirius slip through it without being killed first ... I guess there would have been the same uncertainty in the movie as in the books about his death, but I believe there would have been more of an emotional reaction to his mysterious disappearance than there was to his actual murder.
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07-16-2007, 01:00 PM	#5
Stan4dSteph Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,156	Count me in the ranks who haven't read the books but generally enjoy the films. I agree with the questions about the arch. It didn't seem to be explained as to what it was. I have no idea of its significance. I really liked the actress' portrayal of Luna.
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07-16-2007, 02:14 PM	#8
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	In the book, that arch is literally "the veil" as in "beyond the veil." One co-worker remarked to me, after reading the bok, that he thought it rather silly that Sirius was killed by a metaphor. (In the book , Bellatrix did not use the Avada Kedavra spell. She just zapped him through the arch, hence pushing him beyond the veil. Gosh, it does sound kind of silly as I type it here.) Anyhow, I recall the book going to some length to indicate that once you are beyond the veil, there is no coming back. Whether the upcoming last volume will concoct an exemption will soon be known.
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