Democratic candidates poll - Page 4

wendybeth · 07-13-2007, 08:55 PM

God, I hope so, Captain.

Alex · 07-13-2007, 09:06 PM

I don't disapprove of Hillary politically. I disagree with her on many issues but that isn't a reason to disapprove of someone.

The reasons I can't support her candidacy are mostly unfair to her. Simply put I think it is a bad idea to return a former president to the White House in any capacity, but particularly one where there is so little oversight and official responsibility. Now, I don't think the presidential spouse should just sit on their hands for four or eight years but I also think they should not be key figures in the administration. You think Cheney works magic behind the veil that exists around the mostly unofficial role of the vice president, there's absolutely nothing that can be done to the presidential spouse.

Now, it is certainly possible that Bill won't feel any need to be all that involved or that Hillary will create a firewall that keeps him out but I am uncomfortable with the situation enough that I'd rather avoid it.

Plus, I would like to see a break in power. I wasn't so much bothered by the "dynasty" aspect of Bush because I viewed it as an anomaly. Going 180 years between father/son presidents implies it isn't much to worry about. It isn't fair to Hillary but doing it again right away bothers me. If she's elected we're looking at the possibility of a 26 year span where the presidency stays within just two families. And then Jeb will want a turn.

Finally, I don't have much hope of the bi-partisan atmosphere of our government improving much. If Obama is elected I'm sure Republicans will find reason to revile him just as much as they did Clinton and if Fred Thompson is elected the vitriol will eventually match that targeted at Bush. So the hope for improvement is small but I think it is zero if Hillary Clinton is elected. Again, not fair to her.

That said, I don't think she is wasting her time. I'd say she is still the most likely Democrat to get the party nomination. However, among the major Democratic hopefuls I think she is the one most likely to shore up the Republican base enough to prevent a Democrat from winning the election.

Capt Jack · 07-13-2007, 09:00 PM

true. every 'no sale' usually starts with hearing their sales pitch

innerSpaceman · 07-13-2007, 09:37 PM

Not only do I not think Clinton is wasting her time ... I predict she will be our next president.

She's not my first choice. But we could do worse.

Obviously.

sleepyjeff · 07-14-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

"Richardson for America . . . Because I've Got Money On it."

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

I have no friggin idea. There certainly isn't one that I feel is best at this point, although all of them are certainly more appealing than any republican candidate that I've seen. But as far as that list goes, I'm not sure that there is one of them that I want. Richardson probably comes closest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'd pick Richardson. I could actually see myself voting for Richardson depending n the Republican candidate.

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Who is this "Richardson" and why don't I, a political junkie type, know the first thing about him or her?

http://www.loungeoftomorrow.com/LoT/...dson#post40932

Cadaverous Pallor · 07-14-2007, 09:31 PM

I educated myself.

Interesting guy. He was governor of New Mexico, an energy mogul, was Secretary of Energy, signed medical Mary J legislation, has rather decent foreign relations experience. While he voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, he added sexual orientation and gender identity to New Mexico's list of civil rights categories, and opposes the "don't ask, don't tell" policy....

€uroMeinke · 07-14-2007, 09:33 PM

what's he sound like?

sleepyjeff · 07-14-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

what's he sound like?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tjOuL5qwNIc

sleepyjeff · 07-15-2007, 12:01 AM

Richardson has a lot going for him too.......

He's a Governor---the last 4 Presidential Elections were won by Governors....and 7 of the last 8.

He's from the right latitude..........Every Presidential Election since 1960 has been won by someone from the Sun Belt.

He's not a Senator............Kerry, Gore, Dole, Mondale, Jackson.....etc.

His name is Bill...............2 of the last 4 elections were won by someone named Bill

View Poll Results: Who should be the Democratic candidate?
Joseph Biden	0	0%
Hillary Clinton	0	0%
Christopher Dodd	0	0%
John Edwards	1	5.56%
Mike Gravel	0	0%
Dennis Kucinich	1	5.56%
Barack Obama	9	50.00%
Bill Richardson	7	38.89%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

07-13-2007, 08:55 PM	#1
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	God, I hope so, Captain. __________________
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't disapprove of Hillary politically. I disagree with her on many issues but that isn't a reason to disapprove of someone. The reasons I can't support her candidacy are mostly unfair to her. Simply put I think it is a bad idea to return a former president to the White House in any capacity, but particularly one where there is so little oversight and official responsibility. Now, I don't think the presidential spouse should just sit on their hands for four or eight years but I also think they should not be key figures in the administration. You think Cheney works magic behind the veil that exists around the mostly unofficial role of the vice president, there's absolutely nothing that can be done to the presidential spouse. Now, it is certainly possible that Bill won't feel any need to be all that involved or that Hillary will create a firewall that keeps him out but I am uncomfortable with the situation enough that I'd rather avoid it. Plus, I would like to see a break in power. I wasn't so much bothered by the "dynasty" aspect of Bush because I viewed it as an anomaly. Going 180 years between father/son presidents implies it isn't much to worry about. It isn't fair to Hillary but doing it again right away bothers me. If she's elected we're looking at the possibility of a 26 year span where the presidency stays within just two families. And then Jeb will want a turn. Finally, I don't have much hope of the bi-partisan atmosphere of our government improving much. If Obama is elected I'm sure Republicans will find reason to revile him just as much as they did Clinton and if Fred Thompson is elected the vitriol will eventually match that targeted at Bush. So the hope for improvement is small but I think it is zero if Hillary Clinton is elected. Again, not fair to her. That said, I don't think she is wasting her time. I'd say she is still the most likely Democrat to get the party nomination. However, among the major Democratic hopefuls I think she is the one most likely to shore up the Republican base enough to prevent a Democrat from winning the election.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Not only do I not think Clinton is wasting her time ... I predict she will be our next president. She's not my first choice. But we could do worse. Obviously.
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I educated myself. Interesting guy. He was governor of New Mexico, an energy mogul, was Secretary of Energy, signed medical Mary J legislation, has rather decent foreign relations experience. While he voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, he added sexual orientation and gender identity to New Mexico's list of civil rights categories, and opposes the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.... __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	what's he sound like? __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Richardson has a lot going for him too....... He's a Governor---the last 4 Presidential Elections were won by Governors....and 7 of the last 8. He's from the right latitude..........Every Presidential Election since 1960 has been won by someone from the Sun Belt. He's not a Senator............Kerry, Gore, Dole, Mondale, Jackson.....etc. His name is Bill...............2 of the last 4 elections were won by someone named Bill __________________ River Guardian-less
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