Deathly Hallows Book Discussion **LoTs Of Spoilers** - Page 12

innerSpaceman · 07-25-2007, 02:30 PM

There are too many holes in J.K.'s mythology.

As for portraits, I think they can be brought up-to-date, and perhaps even grow as "people" by observing what they can from their frames, and interacting with live people (and even other portraits in their building) ... but I have a hard time reckoning that their essence isn't set when they are painted.

If Dumbledore were painted before his sister died, I don't think the portrait Dumbledore would be as psyche-damaged as the real Dumbledore, even if the portrait one learned of the circumstances.

Hey, and what happens if ... as with many famous people ... more than one portrait is painted, and at different stages of life? Under my theory, the portraits would each be very different "people."

And yeah, witches celebrating Christmas is just odd. But I think it's more a matter of them being Brits than being witchfolk.

Alex · 07-25-2007, 02:46 PM

What if, as is common, additional copies of a portrait are made by copying the first rather than the living person?

I don't know if it is more rigorous in the books, but this has been my approach to the magic in the movies. That the underlying truth of it is that it works in the way necessary for the moment in which it is used. An alternate version of G.I. Joe where whatever machine was needed to stop this week's villainy just happened to be invented the day before (and was already on store shelves).

Of course, to a degree it helps me in with the movies that when I see something that appears inconsistent I just say "that's probably explained in the books...another reason these movies are very good for non-readers in the audience."

FEJ · 07-25-2007, 04:08 PM

I thought it was weird that even Buckbeak "heard the call" and showed up for the final fight. To me that was a stretch.

innerSpaceman · 07-25-2007, 04:40 PM

They never did explain (did they?) what happened to Buckbeak after Grimmuald Place was abandoned by the Order. If he wasn't allowed to live in the wild while Sirius was alive, he could have been hanging around The Burrow for all we know. In which case, yeah, he would have known about the Hogwarts War, and come a'flyin'.

Brigitte · 07-25-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

They never did explain (did they?) what happened to Buckbeak after Grimmuald Place was abandoned by the Order. If he wasn't allowed to live in the wild while Sirius was alive, he could have been hanging around The Burrow for all we know. In which case, yeah, he would have known about the Hogwarts War, and come a'flyin'.

I thought Buckbeak was rechristened Witherwings and Harry gave him to Hagrid. He'd be living near Hogwarts then, also a good place to know about the war!

I could be wrong though, I'd have to look it up.

On mugglenet.com there's a bit about a live chat with Rowling on Monday. Here is a link to the Bloomsbury site about it.

katiesue · 07-25-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brigitte

I thought Buckbeak was rechristened Witherwings and Harry gave him to Hagrid. He'd be living near Hogwarts then, also a good place to know about the war!

I could be wrong though, I'd have to look it up.

On mugglenet.com there's a bit about a live chat with Rowling on Monday. Here is a link to the Bloomsbury site about it.

You are correct Hagrid took Buckbeak/Witherwings.

Betty · 07-25-2007, 05:42 PM

I wonder if Snape ever gets his picture on the wall of the headmaster's office. Oh - I know the story had to end - but I just yearn for more.

CoasterMatt · 07-25-2007, 07:29 PM

IT'S FREAKIN' BOOKS! WONDERFUL PIECES OF FANTASY AND IMAGINATION! ENOUGH WITH THE DAMNED ANALYSIS!

lindyhop · 07-25-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CoasterMatt

IT'S FREAKIN' BOOKS! WONDERFUL PIECES OF FANTASY AND IMAGINATION! ENOUGH WITH THE DAMNED ANALYSIS!

(Actually I was thinking somewhat along the same lines but in lower case and without the exclamation points.

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These are books intended for kids and the rest of us have come along for the ride. I'm personally really impressed with how she developed the story and the characters through all the books. These books aren't great literature but since they're so much fun to read, who cares? Rowling could have gotten all the details right...if she'd spent so much time writing each book that the momentum and excitement would just about disappear.

So that's my two cents worth and a

for a fun read. Now I'll go back to reading everyone's analysis and nitpicking which I'm enjoying just the same. You're all very articulate and thoughtful while all I can come up with is: Book good.

ozron · 07-25-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lindyhop

(Actually I was thinking somewhat along the same lines but in lower case and without the exclamation points.

)

You think in lower case?

What I love about these books has been the way the story lines, as well as the writing style and tone of the books has matured along with the characters.

Most importantly, I think the best thing is that, from the first book, kids are reading again! Erin, who is now twenty, commented the other day that when they look back, Harry Potter will be one of the main culteral influences of their lives.

My generation read Tolkien, which lead to a love for reading. In the eighties, it seemed like so many other things were happening - computers, MTV, video games, etc - reading sort of got lost. Editorials were written (ironically) on the death of the written word.

Now, thanks largely to J.K. Rowling, a new generation are excited about books. Sure, some may never pick up another, but many will go on to embrace reading as an important part of thier lives. Whatever your opinion of Harry Potter, this is a good thing.

Those are my thoughts, sweeping generalizations and all.

ron

07-25-2007, 02:30 PM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	There are too many holes in J.K.'s mythology. As for portraits, I think they can be brought up-to-date, and perhaps even grow as "people" by observing what they can from their frames, and interacting with live people (and even other portraits in their building) ... but I have a hard time reckoning that their essence isn't set when they are painted. If Dumbledore were painted before his sister died, I don't think the portrait Dumbledore would be as psyche-damaged as the real Dumbledore, even if the portrait one learned of the circumstances. Hey, and what happens if ... as with many famous people ... more than one portrait is painted, and at different stages of life? Under my theory, the portraits would each be very different "people." And yeah, witches celebrating Christmas is just odd. But I think it's more a matter of them being Brits than being witchfolk.
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07-25-2007, 02:46 PM	#2
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	What if, as is common, additional copies of a portrait are made by copying the first rather than the living person? I don't know if it is more rigorous in the books, but this has been my approach to the magic in the movies. That the underlying truth of it is that it works in the way necessary for the moment in which it is used. An alternate version of G.I. Joe where whatever machine was needed to stop this week's villainy just happened to be invented the day before (and was already on store shelves). Of course, to a degree it helps me in with the movies that when I see something that appears inconsistent I just say "that's probably explained in the books...another reason these movies are very good for non-readers in the audience."
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07-25-2007, 04:08 PM	#3
FEJ Living Now Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 563	I thought it was weird that even Buckbeak "heard the call" and showed up for the final fight. To me that was a stretch.
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07-25-2007, 04:40 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	They never did explain (did they?) what happened to Buckbeak after Grimmuald Place was abandoned by the Order. If he wasn't allowed to live in the wild while Sirius was alive, he could have been hanging around The Burrow for all we know. In which case, yeah, he would have known about the Hogwarts War, and come a'flyin'.
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07-25-2007, 05:42 PM	#7
Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	I wonder if Snape ever gets his picture on the wall of the headmaster's office. Oh - I know the story had to end - but I just yearn for more. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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CoasterMatt BRAAAAAAAINS! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: One Step Beyond... Posts: 8,802	IT'S FREAKIN' BOOKS! WONDERFUL PIECES OF FANTASY AND IMAGINATION! ENOUGH WITH THE DAMNED ANALYSIS! __________________ Do you like my photography? Visit photosbymatt.tumblr.com to purchase prints!
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