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€uroMeinke · 03-11-2005, 07:47 PM

I'd be all over the halucinagens myself - I want to dream in cartoons

Not Afraid · 03-11-2005, 07:49 PM

Oooh! I haven't done 'schrooms in years!

This is a very bad thread for me to be in. I know too much.

Claire · 03-11-2005, 07:56 PM

Mmmmm, shroom tea anyone? Many a high school afternoon was a-wasted by the shroom tea. I think shroom tea is a magical potion.

Scrooge McSam · 03-11-2005, 07:56 PM

I think the key is how these substances would be classified. If a drug, the FDA would automatically be involved, which really speaks to some of the points Scaeagles made earlier. Alcohol can have all the deleterious effects of some of these other substances being mentioned but it's not classifed as a drug.

Not Afraid · 03-11-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Alcohol can have all the deleterious effects of some of these other substances being mentioned but it's not classifed as a drug.

Exactly. And why not? Well, big alcohol companies for one.

I truely love this conundrum.

blueerica · 03-11-2005, 08:01 PM

:watching everyone:

A clock, of sorts....

:back to watching:

SacTown Chronic · 03-11-2005, 08:07 PM

Fvcking OxyContin is legal, man. This is one ass-backwards country.

And by ass-backwards I mean "For Sale".

blueerica · 03-11-2005, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Fvcking OxyContin is legal, man. This is one ass-backwards country.

And by ass-backwards I mean "For Sale".

HAHAHA!

You're killing me Larry!

Motorboat Cruiser · 03-11-2005, 11:31 PM

Such an interesting topic, that of drug legalization.

As a musician, I've seen so much abuse. I've also done my share of abusing, to be blunt. I remember trying cocaine once just to see what it was like and 5 years later realizing that I couldn't remember the last day that I hadn't done it. I also remember quite vividly the day I decided "No more". No intervention, no counseling. I just stopped. That was over 10 years ago. I remember watching a friend of mine who tried smoking heroin once and 6 months later showing up at my house at 2 in the morning with a loaded 357 Magnum a bag of heroin and a plea for help. We got him help and he survived. Most aren't as lucky. It is stories like this that make me realize that while logically, legalization may make a lot of sense, a lot of people would suffer in the process.

And yet, I don't think I have ever seen a drug that I consider more dangerous than alcohol. I've seen it absolutely ruin people's lives and yet they just can't stop. I watched it take a heavy toll on both of my parents, contributing to the death of one of them. I've seen it ruin so many friends. I think one of the scariest things is that the process can be so gradual between social fun and a real problem. Most people don't ever really see it coming. at least that is how it seems. I have a friend right now that for years was a casual drinker, who now downs about a half bottle of rum a day and doesn't see a problem. It's quite scary. And while I do have an occasional glass of wine or cocktail, I also am very clear with myself about where I don't want to go.

Which brings me to pot. I used to smoke ridiculous amounts of pot in my youth and that was neither healthy, nor productive. In my old age, I've learned that moderation is the key. While not trying to advocate, I really think it is the least dangerous of all substances out there, sans the effects that heavy usage can have on the lungs. Inhaling hot smoke is never healthy. I've often felt that had society determined that pot would be the socially acceptable one, rather than alcohol, we would have all been a lot better off. It just doesn't have the same violence associated with it. It doesn't have a known toxicity level. The biggest danger appears to be apathy, and even then, one has a choice to be a lazy bum or not. I know plenty of people that are regular users who aren't what I would call lazy.

So to find a way to wrap this rambling post up, I think what we need more than anything else in regards to drugs is real, honest, education. Not scare tactics, not commercials of eggs in frying pans, but real studies that show what the dangers are and honesty. Let's face it, people have been ingesting mind altering substances since the beginning of time and will always continue to do so. Let's at least give them real facts and treatment options if they so desire. Other than that, legal or illegal, we aren't going to stop people from ingesting substances, whether it be pot, heroin, or caffiene. I think focusing on this as a health issue and not a criminal issue, would go a long way towards combatting the problem. We can't just keep throwing people in jail for abusing substances. It doesn't work. The "war on drugs" is a losing battle that makes the politicians feel good and that is all. And it is costing us incredible amounts of money to try to stop something that, IMO, can't be stopped.

mistyisjafo · 03-12-2005, 12:35 AM

Education is fine and good and all but who here in jr. high/high school even paid attention to the lessons you heard in class? Even I tried pot and I was what you would have considered a "good" kid!

I'm not sure legalizing is all that great idea either but I'm not sure there is a right or wrong answer to the problem.

Pot can be addictive. Any drug can be addictive from asprin to heroin. Every person differs when it comes to abuse of a substance.

I also think that if you legalize pot, I figure you got to legalize it all.

That's just my 2 cents

03-11-2005, 07:47 PM	#1
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Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	Oooh! I haven't done 'schrooms in years! This is a very bad thread for me to be in. I know too much.
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Claire Shagilicious Disneyland!! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fulfilling my destiny..... Posts: 740	Mmmmm, shroom tea anyone? Many a high school afternoon was a-wasted by the shroom tea. I think shroom tea is a magical potion. __________________ Miles: It tastes like the back of a fing L.A. school bus. Now they probably didn't de-stem, hoping for some semblance of concentration, crushed it up with leaves and mice, and then wound up with this rancid tar and turpentine bull**. Fin' Raid. Jack: Tastes pretty good to me.
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Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	I think the key is how these substances would be classified. If a drug, the FDA would automatically be involved, which really speaks to some of the points Scaeagles made earlier. Alcohol can have all the deleterious effects of some of these other substances being mentioned but it's not classifed as a drug.
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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Fvcking OxyContin is legal, man. This is one ass-backwards country. And by ass-backwards I mean "For Sale". __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Such an interesting topic, that of drug legalization. As a musician, I've seen so much abuse. I've also done my share of abusing, to be blunt. I remember trying cocaine once just to see what it was like and 5 years later realizing that I couldn't remember the last day that I hadn't done it. I also remember quite vividly the day I decided "No more". No intervention, no counseling. I just stopped. That was over 10 years ago. I remember watching a friend of mine who tried smoking heroin once and 6 months later showing up at my house at 2 in the morning with a loaded 357 Magnum a bag of heroin and a plea for help. We got him help and he survived. Most aren't as lucky. It is stories like this that make me realize that while logically, legalization may make a lot of sense, a lot of people would suffer in the process. And yet, I don't think I have ever seen a drug that I consider more dangerous than alcohol. I've seen it absolutely ruin people's lives and yet they just can't stop. I watched it take a heavy toll on both of my parents, contributing to the death of one of them. I've seen it ruin so many friends. I think one of the scariest things is that the process can be so gradual between social fun and a real problem. Most people don't ever really see it coming. at least that is how it seems. I have a friend right now that for years was a casual drinker, who now downs about a half bottle of rum a day and doesn't see a problem. It's quite scary. And while I do have an occasional glass of wine or cocktail, I also am very clear with myself about where I don't want to go. Which brings me to pot. I used to smoke ridiculous amounts of pot in my youth and that was neither healthy, nor productive. In my old age, I've learned that moderation is the key. While not trying to advocate, I really think it is the least dangerous of all substances out there, sans the effects that heavy usage can have on the lungs. Inhaling hot smoke is never healthy. I've often felt that had society determined that pot would be the socially acceptable one, rather than alcohol, we would have all been a lot better off. It just doesn't have the same violence associated with it. It doesn't have a known toxicity level. The biggest danger appears to be apathy, and even then, one has a choice to be a lazy bum or not. I know plenty of people that are regular users who aren't what I would call lazy. So to find a way to wrap this rambling post up, I think what we need more than anything else in regards to drugs is real, honest, education. Not scare tactics, not commercials of eggs in frying pans, but real studies that show what the dangers are and honesty. Let's face it, people have been ingesting mind altering substances since the beginning of time and will always continue to do so. Let's at least give them real facts and treatment options if they so desire. Other than that, legal or illegal, we aren't going to stop people from ingesting substances, whether it be pot, heroin, or caffiene. I think focusing on this as a health issue and not a criminal issue, would go a long way towards combatting the problem. We can't just keep throwing people in jail for abusing substances. It doesn't work. The "war on drugs" is a losing battle that makes the politicians feel good and that is all. And it is costing us incredible amounts of money to try to stop something that, IMO, can't be stopped.
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mistyisjafo A JAFO Production Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 567	Education is fine and good and all but who here in jr. high/high school even paid attention to the lessons you heard in class? Even I tried pot and I was what you would have considered a "good" kid! I'm not sure legalizing is all that great idea either but I'm not sure there is a right or wrong answer to the problem. Pot can be addictive. Any drug can be addictive from asprin to heroin. Every person differs when it comes to abuse of a substance. I also think that if you legalize pot, I figure you got to legalize it all. That's just my 2 cents __________________
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