Hollywood's Writers' Strike - Page 24

Kevy Baby · 01-08-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread. Writers and tits. Strikes and boobies. Is there a connection?

Yeah, I have been enjoying the dichotomy!

Pirate Bill · 01-08-2008, 01:34 PM

I have worked for a company that put profits over workers and that company is currently failing. It's suffering from one downsize after another. There is severely poor morale. Everyone is overworked and underpaid. Those who wise up to how poorly they are being treated and feel they can find something better are leaving. I left after 1 year employment there. When I tried to renegotiate my wages they tried to convince me I was being paid what should be expected for my level of experience and that I wouldn't find better anywhere else. I'm positive they are telling the same lies to everyone else. Fortunately I knew better and left.

I'm currently working for another company that appreciates skill and knows how to compensate fairly. They know they need to pay well to keep the skill from leaving. I'm now getting paid more than what I was asking my last employer for.

Seeking the lowest price over quality is a recipe for disaster. You really do get what you pay for.

That goes for boobies too.

Kevy Baby · 01-08-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

That goes for boobies too.

Amen brutha!

Moonliner · 01-08-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread. Writers and tits. Strikes and boobies. Is there a connection?

Ultimately just about everything is somehow connected to tits and/or boobies.

isn't it?

NirvanaMan · 01-08-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread. Writers and tits. Strikes and boobies. Is there a connection?

So long as I am involved in the discourse, yes.

Strangler Lewis · 01-08-2008, 01:16 PM

Kevy, I agree that many employees are as you say. However, I disagree that the laws strongly favor employees. While there are surely cases where people claim discrimination where none exists, my sense is that there are far more cases that are ignored by people who don't want to carry the stigma of having sued their employer.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 01-08-2008, 01:21 PM

Some writers have tits...

Morrigoon · 01-08-2008, 03:16 PM

GD, NM, I think we can find some middle ground here. In a perfect capitalist economy, where everyone has all the information they need about pricing, their own personal value, etc., there is no need for unions. However, since it is nearly impossible for everyone to have all the information available to them, people make choices that they "logically" shouldn't, because they don't know that someone out there will pay/treat them better. The companies, likewise, do not always know that they're underpaying, and certainly if people who don't know any better are willing to work for a wage, then the companies have no motivation to pay more.

I guess Unions are the market's attempts to right itself.

Not saying I like unions, but I can see the role they play in trying to even the score.

Ghoulish Delight · 01-08-2008, 03:44 PM

I don't endorse unionization for all situations. But in industries where the majority of the hiring decision is funneled into a very small pool of tight-knit players, it becomes the only tool available to the worker.

blueerica · 01-08-2008, 04:00 PM

I had a business law professor explain it as the difference between tigers and kittens. Some people are more aggressive than others, and likely don't need the kind of help. More nurturing professions, such as nursing and teaching, often benefit the most from having these. Without a strong union presence.. let's be honest.. many of them would roll over because they care so much about the people they're taking care of. Many creatives have the same problem too -- and until someone points out that there's something they're getting screwed on, many would gladly continue just doing what they love without seeking greater benefit.

I don't consider myself pro-union, nor do I consider myself anti-union. I just see it as just the way things are. There are many aspects to unionization that I don't care for, especially how long and arduous negotiations can be, the whole "vote this way" attitude - but there are others that are positive, bringing voices to people that might not always speak up.

I really like the way that LSPE put it, for I think that's a huge part of the issue on why this is taking so long.

I'm going to be doing pretty well for the duration of the strike as I now have about 150 movies I haven't watched before sitting on shelves to my right. Plus, there are probably a bajillionty awesome classic movies I have yet to see.

Oh, and I've got a kitteh.

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Pirate Bill Quality since 1973 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 473	I have worked for a company that put profits over workers and that company is currently failing. It's suffering from one downsize after another. There is severely poor morale. Everyone is overworked and underpaid. Those who wise up to how poorly they are being treated and feel they can find something better are leaving. I left after 1 year employment there. When I tried to renegotiate my wages they tried to convince me I was being paid what should be expected for my level of experience and that I wouldn't find better anywhere else. I'm positive they are telling the same lies to everyone else. Fortunately I knew better and left. I'm currently working for another company that appreciates skill and knows how to compensate fairly. They know they need to pay well to keep the skill from leaving. I'm now getting paid more than what I was asking my last employer for. Seeking the lowest price over quality is a recipe for disaster. You really do get what you pay for. That goes for boobies too.
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Kevy, I agree that many employees are as you say. However, I disagree that the laws strongly favor employees. While there are surely cases where people claim discrimination where none exists, my sense is that there are far more cases that are ignored by people who don't want to carry the stigma of having sued their employer. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	Some writers have tits...
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	GD, NM, I think we can find some middle ground here. In a perfect capitalist economy, where everyone has all the information they need about pricing, their own personal value, etc., there is no need for unions. However, since it is nearly impossible for everyone to have all the information available to them, people make choices that they "logically" shouldn't, because they don't know that someone out there will pay/treat them better. The companies, likewise, do not always know that they're underpaying, and certainly if people who don't know any better are willing to work for a wage, then the companies have no motivation to pay more. I guess Unions are the market's attempts to right itself. Not saying I like unions, but I can see the role they play in trying to even the score. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I don't endorse unionization for all situations. But in industries where the majority of the hiring decision is funneled into a very small pool of tight-knit players, it becomes the only tool available to the worker. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	I had a business law professor explain it as the difference between tigers and kittens. Some people are more aggressive than others, and likely don't need the kind of help. More nurturing professions, such as nursing and teaching, often benefit the most from having these. Without a strong union presence.. let's be honest.. many of them would roll over because they care so much about the people they're taking care of. Many creatives have the same problem too -- and until someone points out that there's something they're getting screwed on, many would gladly continue just doing what they love without seeking greater benefit. I don't consider myself pro-union, nor do I consider myself anti-union. I just see it as just the way things are. There are many aspects to unionization that I don't care for, especially how long and arduous negotiations can be, the whole "vote this way" attitude - but there are others that are positive, bringing voices to people that might not always speak up. I really like the way that LSPE put it, for I think that's a huge part of the issue on why this is taking so long. I'm going to be doing pretty well for the duration of the strike as I now have about 150 movies I haven't watched before sitting on shelves to my right. Plus, there are probably a bajillionty awesome classic movies I have yet to see. Oh, and I've got a kitteh. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me Last edited by blueerica : 01-08-2008 at 04:09 PM.
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