The Schiavo issue

[Nephythys]

Bob Schindler visited his daughter late Sunday and said he noticed the effects of dehydration on her. He said she appeared to be getting tired, but eventually responded to his teasing by making a face at him.

"It tells us she's still with us," he said.

Brian Schiavo, Michael's brother, said he spent Sunday afternoon with his brother and Terri at the hospice, but Terri did not move or make any noises. "Anybody that thinks that she talks and responds, they need to have a mental health examination," he said.

Maybe she just doesn't respond to people who want her to die?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Maybe she just doesn't respond to people who want her to die?

Or maybe her parents are in extreme denial and seeing what they want to see, rather than reality.

I'm just saying that it is possible.

Every doctor not on the family payroll has said that this woman has no chance of recovery.

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

Maybe she just doesn't respond to people who want her to die?

OR It could be that she doesn't respond because her cerebral cortex is GONE and has been replaced with cerebral spinal fluid.

[€uroMeinke]

Or we could just let her die and let God sort it out - provided she believes in God, of course

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Or we could just let her die and let God sort it out - provided she believes in God, of course

Ah, but God told us suicide is a sin. So letting her die is a sin. Allowing others to sin is a sin, so we can't let God sort it out, because he'll deal harshly with us. And we base all our moral decisions on Christianity in this country. Especially now with the "mandate" going on.

Hmm, I need to find out the Jewish stance on suicide and the right to die.

Her parents are monsters. Absolute monsters. I wouldn't want my daughter caught in a living hell for 15 years, never mind any longer than that. Selfish monsters out of control.

I wonder if they've ever put a pet to sleep.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Ah, but God told us suicide is a sin. So letting her die is a sin. Allowing others to sin is a sin, so we can't let God sort it out, because he'll deal harshly with us. And we base all our moral decisions on Christianity in this country. Especially now with the "mandate" going on.

See, this is what puzzles me about Christianity and other heaven-based religions - If heaven is such a great place, why do you wnat to send the hienous of criminals there without pause, yet do your best to prevent loved ones from achieving it?

It's just a shame that a similar effort isn't made for conscious people starving around the world - I think there might be more hedons gained in that effort.

[MickeyD]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

See, this is what puzzles me about Christianity and other heaven-based religions - If heaven is such a great place, why do you wnat to send the hienous of criminals there without pause, yet do your best to prevent loved ones from achieving it?

I totally agree.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Or we could just let her die and let God sort it out - provided she believes in God, of course

YOU are such a brat!

MBC- I concede that as parents that is entirely possible.

CP- they are NOT monsters. They are parents caught in intolerable grief and pain. This is a horrible situation.

[MickeyD]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Or we could just let her die and let God sort it out - provided she believes in God, of course

From what I hear, she does. And that's exactly what I keep coming back to. Her parents, who are supposedly Catholic, are keeping her in a permanently vegetative state in this life instead of letting her be with God in the next life.

Catholic dogma was mentioned way earlier in this thread. Here's the deal, Catholic dogma states to protect the sanctity of life, from conception to natural death. Terri Schiavo is alive due to a feeding tube, if the feeding tube is removed, similar to a situation where a respirator is removed, there will be natural death. Therefore, removing the feeding tube is acceptable according to "Catholic dogma."

Also earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that removing her feeding tube is similar to stopping feeding people who are spoon-fed. It's not, really. Spoon fed = ordinary means to keep someone alive. Feeding tube = extraordinary means.

It's all so sad to me. I certainly can't say that I would do the right thing if I was in her parents place.....or the husband's for that matter. They're all in my prayers.

And that this is all the result of an eating disorder....breaks my heart all over again.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by MickeyD

Catholic dogma was mentioned way earlier in this thread. Here's the deal, Catholic dogma states to protect the sanctity of life, from conception to natural death. Terri Schiavo is alive due to a feeding tube, if the feeding tube is removed, similar to a situation where a respirator is removed, there will be natural death. Therefore, removing the feeding tube is acceptable according to "Catholic dogma."

Not being so dogmatic, this is one of the most sensible things I've read - paerhaps we should have the Pope intervene? That would make this even more interesting.