Mitt Romney and Mormonism - Page 3

Kevy Baby · 12-06-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzman

Au contraire. Back in high school I loved dating Mormons. Those girls always put out, and the higher up in the church Daddy was, the freakier they were. Some rebellion against the cult thing, I think. I've got stories that are Forum worthy of things we did while the Elders were in the other room with the parents divvying up the spoils, er, I mean going over the church budget.

Yep, not much sexier in this world than a hotty in Jesus Jammies with a stifling religion to rebel against.

I'm glad Jazzman has his priorities straight!

blueerica · 12-06-2007, 02:07 PM

Yeah, I gotta say Mormons are pretty nice people. When I went through my family crisis, they helped my entire family, even those that weren't LDS. And you know, they never pushed me to change my own views. I thought that was pretty nice.

blueerica · 12-06-2007, 02:39 PM

I do believe it has cultish aspects, and yes, from what I understand there are certain things you have to know for the ceremonial stuff - though I've never felt it necessary to pay them anything to understand what was going on. I've never known anyone to really have to pay - but then, I don't know everything there is to know about Mormons. I do know the basics: they believe in the Christian God and tiny infant baby Jesus with golden fleece diapers. Which is what some out there think they don't believe in. But, they don't consider themselves a part of any of the more "traditional" Christian churches - they're a continuation of the Church of Christ... something a little different.

Mormons do seem to take their tithing a little more seriously than most other churches I've gone to - 10% - and most LDS seem to give it. But, tithing is usually a part of Jewish and Christian organizations, so that's nothing really different and I don't really see it as a "Pay to Play" situation.

And, like I said earlier, they really helped my family out without making anyone feel guilty for not going to their church or supporting their religion. My aunt left LDS some time ago for their stance against women in the temple wearing pants, or rather that there was a dress code associated with communing with God. They seemed rather accepting of her differing views - which I think is probably more of a sign of the modern-day church. They've dropped polygamy (with the exception of a few extreme sects), and a bunch of other stuff.

Hehe - as for cults, I think all religions are cults. But that's just me.

blueerica · 12-06-2007, 03:49 PM

I am backspacing over what I just wrote because I think it's just getting into a completely different subject than what the OP addresses, and for my part in that, I do apologize. I just think it's so odd that people can profess such beliefs against a religion, and therefore Romney, they don't seem to understand. (Understanding something and agreeing with something are two separate issues.)

There's a lot of misinformation out there, just as there is a lot of misinformation on a number of other cultures and religions. Worse, we're (not me or you, necessarily, but the general us) using misinformation instead of track records and performance to judge our political candidates. Again, I'm no Romney fan, but his Mormonism has nothing to do with that.

Pirate Bill · 12-06-2007, 03:54 PM

Ugh. I just finished reading the rest of the article. Nothing but absolute lies. Especially regarding everything it said about marriage, divorce, and well, everything else too. Ugh.

Stan4dSteph · 12-06-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

Ugh. I just finished reading the rest of the article. Nothing but absolute lies. Especially regarding everything it said about marriage, divorce, and well, everything else too. Ugh.

My friend took the tour that is offered of the temple in Salt Lake City, so my knowledge comes from what was told to her directly from the Mormon tour guides. I don't know about all the historical stuff, but the subservience thing is definitely emphasized. I'll have to catch her later to have her tell me again what was said, but it did not leave a good impression on her.

3894 · 12-06-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

Ugh. I just finished reading the rest of the article. Nothing but absolute lies. Especially regarding everything it said about marriage, divorce, and well, everything else too. Ugh.

Sorry you had to read a loser internet source, Bill.

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Originally Posted by blueerica

I'm no Romney fan, but his Mormonism has nothing to do with that.

I'd never vote for Romney because he's a Republican. Romney has said that he believes the American political system connects with his religion and he believes that the power of the U.S. is a God-given gift to be used to dominate other parts of the world. The U.S. would extend its role of being the world's policeman, just because Romney happens to believe that God would favor the U.S.

Would I vote for a Mormon if s/he were a Democrat? If a Mormon's political beliefs coincided with mine, then I'd consider voting for that candidate. I part company with Romney over his politics.

As for the live-and-let-live thing, my understanding is the Mormon Church believes all other Christian churches are in a state of apostasy, meaning that they are inferior in their Christian beliefs. It's rather similar to the pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic Church that regarded Protestants as not in the fullness of the Christian faith. To my knowledge, this is the position of the Mormon Church at the present time - otherwise, why would they send their missionaries out to convert other Christians? Unless you're baptized and converted to Mormonism, you're outside the Pearly Gates. Eternal life is not accessible.

My husband was told by a Mormon who tried to convert him on the shores of Bear Lake in Idaho that being a Lutheran was a positive step beyond Catholicism but was not yet acceptable to the more advanced revelation of the Mormon Church. He said "You're half-way there but you haven't gotten there yet."

sleepyjeff · 12-06-2007, 04:39 PM

FYI....one of only two GOP Senators opposed to the Iraq war is a member of The Church of Latter Day Saints.

For what it's worth

Alex · 12-06-2007, 04:50 PM

It hasn't come up as often as I would have expected, but while the best known Mormon politicians seem to be Republican (before Romney, Orrin Hatch is probably the one most would have named), the current Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, is Mormon.

So if one wants a Democratic version of the question, there's one. The other four Mormon senators are Republicans. In the House 7 of 10 are Republicans.

Alex · 12-06-2007, 06:53 PM

Oh yeah, if there was no other differentiation between a non-atheist and an atheist. Then I would throw my lot to the atheist.

But if the only differentiation is between a Mormon and a person of some different faith/religion then it wouldn't really matter at all.

I don't expect to be offered the first choice within my lifetime (and being a materialistic atheist I also don't expect to be offered any choices after my lifetime either).

12-06-2007, 02:07 PM	#2
blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	Yeah, I gotta say Mormons are pretty nice people. When I went through my family crisis, they helped my entire family, even those that weren't LDS. And you know, they never pushed me to change my own views. I thought that was pretty nice. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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12-06-2007, 02:39 PM	#3
blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	I do believe it has cultish aspects, and yes, from what I understand there are certain things you have to know for the ceremonial stuff - though I've never felt it necessary to pay them anything to understand what was going on. I've never known anyone to really have to pay - but then, I don't know everything there is to know about Mormons. I do know the basics: they believe in the Christian God and tiny infant baby Jesus with golden fleece diapers. Which is what some out there think they don't believe in. But, they don't consider themselves a part of any of the more "traditional" Christian churches - they're a continuation of the Church of Christ... something a little different. Mormons do seem to take their tithing a little more seriously than most other churches I've gone to - 10% - and most LDS seem to give it. But, tithing is usually a part of Jewish and Christian organizations, so that's nothing really different and I don't really see it as a "Pay to Play" situation. And, like I said earlier, they really helped my family out without making anyone feel guilty for not going to their church or supporting their religion. My aunt left LDS some time ago for their stance against women in the temple wearing pants, or rather that there was a dress code associated with communing with God. They seemed rather accepting of her differing views - which I think is probably more of a sign of the modern-day church. They've dropped polygamy (with the exception of a few extreme sects), and a bunch of other stuff. Hehe - as for cults, I think all religions are cults. But that's just me. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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12-06-2007, 03:49 PM	#4
blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	I am backspacing over what I just wrote because I think it's just getting into a completely different subject than what the OP addresses, and for my part in that, I do apologize. I just think it's so odd that people can profess such beliefs against a religion, and therefore Romney, they don't seem to understand. (Understanding something and agreeing with something are two separate issues.) There's a lot of misinformation out there, just as there is a lot of misinformation on a number of other cultures and religions. Worse, we're (not me or you, necessarily, but the general us) using misinformation instead of track records and performance to judge our political candidates. Again, I'm no Romney fan, but his Mormonism has nothing to do with that. __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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12-06-2007, 03:54 PM	#5
Pirate Bill Quality since 1973 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 473	Ugh. I just finished reading the rest of the article. Nothing but absolute lies. Especially regarding everything it said about marriage, divorce, and well, everything else too. Ugh.
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12-06-2007, 04:39 PM	#8
sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	FYI....one of only two GOP Senators opposed to the Iraq war is a member of The Church of Latter Day Saints. For what it's worth __________________ River Guardian-less
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12-06-2007, 04:50 PM	#9
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	It hasn't come up as often as I would have expected, but while the best known Mormon politicians seem to be Republican (before Romney, Orrin Hatch is probably the one most would have named), the current Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, is Mormon. So if one wants a Democratic version of the question, there's one. The other four Mormon senators are Republicans. In the House 7 of 10 are Republicans.
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12-06-2007, 06:53 PM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Oh yeah, if there was no other differentiation between a non-atheist and an atheist. Then I would throw my lot to the atheist. But if the only differentiation is between a Mormon and a person of some different faith/religion then it wouldn't really matter at all. I don't expect to be offered the first choice within my lifetime (and being a materialistic atheist I also don't expect to be offered any choices after my lifetime either).
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