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3894 · 05-16-2008, 01:13 PM

Here's my "favorite" part: Hillary is really from Chicago, not New York. If she had run for the Illinois seat that Obama currently holds ...

scaeagles · 05-16-2008, 02:14 PM

Contextually speaking, considering Bush was referring to Carter, I don't see pulling a Godwin was a problem. He was speaking to the Knesset about appeasement of people out to kill Jews.

Morrigoon · 05-16-2008, 02:24 PM

Nope, sorry, sounds like a Godwin to me

Ghoulish Delight · 05-16-2008, 03:07 PM

That Mike Huckabee, he's a real cutup. Laugh a minute, that one.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-16-2008, 03:33 PM

Stop the presses, John McCain is a hypocrite!!!

Gosh, just 2 years ago, he seemed like he'd be willing to *gasp* talk with Hamas!! The horror!

sleepyjeff · 05-16-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Stop the presses, John McCain is a hypocrite!!!

Gosh, just 2 years ago, he seemed like he'd be willing to *gasp* talk with Hamas!! The horror!

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They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another

Having to "deal with them, one way or another" is hardly sitting down to negotiations.

Another one of those "nontroversies" I think

Ghoulish Delight · 05-16-2008, 03:53 PM

That's clearly exactly what he was referring to. "I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East." His response was specifically in opposition to the current doctrine of zero communication. "Deal with" was obviously meant in the sense of "engaging", not "obliterating."

Not that any of this is news, just another in a long list of reasons why many many people would have voted for McCain 8 years ago that he's completely flipped on.

sleepyjeff · 05-16-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's clearly exactly what he was referring to. "I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East." His response was specifically in opposition to the current doctrine of zero communication. "Deal with" was obviously meant in the sense of "engaging", not "obliterating."

I wish I could find out what comes in between "so" and "but" in that quote. Because the way I read it does not make it obvious at all. To me this could just as easily mean that ~now that Hamas has more power we are going to have to confront a new reality~ There's really nothing in there about more communication......at least not in that quote.

I will concede though that McCain is a big time flip-flopper.....all US Senators are(which is why I am totally shocked that the top 4 finishers in this years run were all US Senators......they generally don't win the Presidency in modern times due to the very fact that they can easily be painted flip-floppers---)

scaeagles · 05-16-2008, 05:37 PM

I haven't read the quote from McCain, but don't doubt it at all. McCain plays more sides of an issue than Kerrey does.

Here's why I think the Obama uproar is so ridiculous (on the part of Obama). Obama has said he would sit down and have face to face diplomacy with Ahmadinejad without conditions. Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism, and Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran. So Obama has said he will sit down and have face to face talks with terroists. When called on it, that is an out of bounds issue?

Please realize I think McCain would be wrong to do so, and I don't doubt he said it. But drop the insane righteous indignation, Obama.

Motorboat Cruiser · 05-19-2008, 03:59 PM

Pretty amazing pictures from Oregon, where an estimated 65,000 attended and another 15,000 were turned away.

I'm assuming that Sleepyjeff is somewhere in that picture.

05-16-2008, 01:13 PM	#1
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Contextually speaking, considering Bush was referring to Carter, I don't see pulling a Godwin was a problem. He was speaking to the Knesset about appeasement of people out to kill Jews.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Nope, sorry, sounds like a Godwin to me __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	That Mike Huckabee, he's a real cutup. Laugh a minute, that one. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Stop the presses, John McCain is a hypocrite!!! Gosh, just 2 years ago, he seemed like he'd be willing to gasp talk with Hamas!! The horror! __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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05-16-2008, 03:53 PM	#7
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	That's clearly exactly what he was referring to. "I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East." His response was specifically in opposition to the current doctrine of zero communication. "Deal with" was obviously meant in the sense of "engaging", not "obliterating." Not that any of this is news, just another in a long list of reasons why many many people would have voted for McCain 8 years ago that he's completely flipped on. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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05-16-2008, 05:37 PM	#9
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I haven't read the quote from McCain, but don't doubt it at all. McCain plays more sides of an issue than Kerrey does. Here's why I think the Obama uproar is so ridiculous (on the part of Obama). Obama has said he would sit down and have face to face diplomacy with Ahmadinejad without conditions. Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism, and Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran. So Obama has said he will sit down and have face to face talks with terroists. When called on it, that is an out of bounds issue? Please realize I think McCain would be wrong to do so, and I don't doubt he said it. But drop the insane righteous indignation, Obama.
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	Pretty amazing pictures from Oregon, where an estimated 65,000 attended and another 15,000 were turned away. I'm assuming that Sleepyjeff is somewhere in that picture.
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